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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 3:39 PM
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One reason is the fact you can't take a one trip ride from CC to K of P with this plan.
This is an important aspect. Unlike most rail extension plans, the line doesn't originate out of the core. You need to take the El to its western terminus and then change trains. I find that most people will endure a longer, slower single seat bus ride over a rail option that may require transfers.

Based in schedules, the bus trip from 13th and Market to KOP Transit Center is scheduled to take anywhere from about 45 minutes to 65 minutes – one seat ride with minimal stops.
The rail trip from 13th and Market would take 15 minutes to 69 Street, change trains and then another 30 minutes to Norristown. Unless you live in West Philadelphia or Delco, it’s not a silver bullet.
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Are your about these ridership numbers on page 7?

http://www.kingofprussiarail.com/doc...l-FAQs-web.pdf

And then the fact sheet talks about reduction of VMT, which got my attention:

http://www.kingofprussiarail.com/doc...ct%20sheet.pdf

And, I'm wondering if anyone on this forum works or is affiliated with Septa? Maybe they can speak to how much of how little of this project will become reality.
While I don’t work at SEPTA, I am pretty well informed about the goings on and can offer some comments regarding the KOP Spur.

Since it falls under the FTA and not the FRA, SEPTA doesn’t have to worry about this project being shot down like the Schuylkill Valley Metro project of the 1990s.

It is happening. Don’t know how long it’ll take but it’s definitely going to be built.

I was told that they’re looking into also incorporating some sort of RDC shuttle service to extend the line further out by using existing trackage. Which trackage my source was referring to, I have no idea. Ever since that part was told to me I’ve been mighty confused.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 5:16 PM
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Based in schedules, the bus trip from 13th and Market to KOP Transit Center is scheduled to take anywhere from about 45 minutes to 65 minutes – one seat ride with minimal stops.
The rail trip from 13th and Market would take 15 minutes to 69 Street, change trains and then another 30 minutes to Norristown. Unless you live in West Philadelphia or Delco, it’s not a silver bullet.
I suppose you'd then have to factor in whatever ride one might take to get to 13th and Market to catch the bus. If you live anywhere along the El, it wouldn't make sense for you to get off the El and take the bus if you're going to have to make a transfer anyway. Maybe you could make that argument for the BSL.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 6:18 PM
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North Broad is really on fire! 9 floors, 108 units at North Broad and Brandywine (right by the Mural Arts building).

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20191118.html
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 6:22 PM
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North Broad is really on fire! 9 floors, 108 units at North Broad and Brandywine (right by the Mural Arts building).

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20191118.html
good news there
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A Manayunk/Norristown extension to Phoenixville is happening in tandem with the NHSL extension.
Here's hoping they do both.

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Saw this bit in the FAQ about the regional rail extension. I don't know how they can make the cost effective argument, unless they are only looking at the cost of the SVM which had a whole bunch of other stuff thrown in. I suppose the headway argument is reasonable, but I think the original SEPTA regional rail plan was to have 15-minute headways which obviously never happened. Just goes to show that the demand is there and they need to fix regional rail:

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If the Purpose and Need is to connect King of Prussia and Philadelphia, why are you not
just extending the Regional Rail Line from Norristown to make it a one-seat ride from King
of Prussia to Center City Philadelphia?
Extensions of SEPTA’s Regional Rail service – including the Cross-County Metro – have been
studied in the past. However, earlier studies have failed because they were not a costeffective solution.
Additionally, the purpose of this project is to provide increased transit service from
established communities along the existing Norristown High Speed Line (NHSL) to activity
centers in King of Prussia and Valley Forge. Therefore, an extension of new rail
infrastructure will require a service that runs frequently and operates over the course of an
entire day. This longer duration of operations and increased frequency of service will
provide the necessary balance of mobility options while offering nearly equivalent service
for both inbound travel (toward Philadelphia), and outbound travel (toward Norristown) to
connect both markets. The current headways of 10 to 12 minutes on the NHSL cannot be
replicated with SEPTA’s Regional Rail line due to its operating characteristics, fleet
parameters and train volume constraints. Although the NHSL offers a frequency of service
for both inbound and outbound passengers, Regional Rail service does not, as it is primarily
oriented to provide service from outlying areas into Center City Philadelphia in the morning
and from Center City Philadelphia to outlying areas, in the afternoons and evenings.
Regional rail also needs a wider area and more space to run the rail, which would increase
the amount of required land. Finally, it would be more difficult to run the line through an
already well-developed area, and it would also increase the overall cost of construction.
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North Broad is really on fire! 9 floors, 108 units at North Broad and Brandywine (right by the Mural Arts building).

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20191118.html
Nice, north broad's potential was a long time coming.
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North Broad is really on fire! 9 floors, 108 units at North Broad and Brandywine (right by the Mural Arts building).

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20191118.html
Awesome! I'm really fond of North Broad and lower north Philly in general and it has ridiculous potential. Building along the BSL is a no brainier, and I'm excited to see it.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 7:08 PM
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North Broad is really on fire! 9 floors, 108 units at North Broad and Brandywine (right by the Mural Arts building).

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20191118.html
Did anything ever materialize with that stupid self-storage proposal on Spring Garden? Hopefully not.
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The one seat ride thing as a red herring. Connections between the MFL and Norristown line are frequent. A one seat ride on the bus could run into a whole lot of traffic problems that a quick transfer on rail would never encounter.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 7:23 PM
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Also, the NHSL has (theoretical*) 10 minute headways to compliment the MFL. I'd imagine that they'll only increase service once the spur is built, especially considering that the plan is to actually acquire more N5s.

*The NHSL has been running with 30 minute headways for a few years now due to extensive track work. They've made pretty much all of track 2 continuous welded rail, and they're working on track 1 now.
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*The NHSL has been running with 30 minute headways for a few years now due to extensive track work. They've made pretty much all of track 2 continuous welded rail, and they're working on track 1 now.
so did they in effect replace the track? I wonder if it would have been better to replace it with the same gauge as the MFL and run the same el train all the way out to Norristown. Maybe the platforms are the wrong size though.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 7:34 PM
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so did they in effect replace the track? I wonder if it would have been better to replace it with the same gauge as the MFL and run the same el train all the way out to Norristown. Maybe the platforms are the wrong size though.
Yeah... no. The MFL is a completely different loading gauge along with track gauge. The N5s were also built specifically for the purpose of serving the NHSL. They are lighter and have far superior acceleration.

Although, when the N5s were delivered late, SEPTA leased about 14 CTA-6000 cars for the NHSL. They were terrible, and required modifications to the carbody to reach platform height. There are still two left at 69th Street on a yard track, along with about 4 more in the Trolley Graveyard in Central PA.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 8:29 PM
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North Broad is on fire! Gotta love to see it. Keep the urban proposals to replace these surface lots, empty lots and suburban crap-turds along North Broad coming!
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What makes you say this besides wishful thinking?

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It is happening. Don’t know how long it’ll take but it’s definitely going to be built.
Even if the Feds were to put up 50% of the cost and the state to throw in 10% where's the balance going to come from? We're talking about several to many hundreds of million $$$ that would need to be raised locally. And then further down the list is how would SEPTA come up with funding for the increased operating costs.

I'm not speaking against this or practically any non auto centered transit project, and god knows we need a bunch of them ASAP, but since when does need and desire get much built when you have to operate in a political environment where the car is King and Queen. A US senator from TN. recently called mass transit users 'socialists'!
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What makes you say this besides wishful thinking?



Even if the Feds were to put up 50% of the cost and the state to throw in 10% where's the balance going to come from? We're talking about several to many hundreds of million $$$ that would need to be raised locally. And then further down the list is how would SEPTA come up with funding for the increased operating costs.

I'm not speaking against this or practically any non auto centered transit project, and god knows we need a bunch of them ASAP, but since when does need and desire get much built when you have to operate in a political environment where the car is King and Queen. A US senator from TN. recently called mass transit users 'socialists'!
I have an inside source within SEPTA who has told me nothing but positives about the developments of the KOP spur. They have ensured me time and time again that it will be built.
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Penn Engineering receives record $25 million donation for new data science building

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The School of Engineering and Applied Sciences received a record $25 million donation to fund a new data science building.

The donation, made by 1980 College graduate Harlan Stone, is the largest in the history of the school, according to a Penn Engineering press release.

The "Data Science Building" will be located at the corner of 34th and Chestnut streets and will be used by all of Penn's 12 schools and other academic centers. The building will house active learning classrooms and research spaces for data science technologies.
By process of elimination, it obviously will be built here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9543...!7i5504!8i2752
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 12:26 AM
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Amazing! I love it when all 4 corners of an intersection has a building on it.
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Oh, Pivot Park opened at 37th/Market too. Nice little park between the buildings.
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