Heavy Rail, Commuter Rail, & Intercity Transportation

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

We were talking about support of governments. I figured local elected officials were the ones that mattered in this conversation. Keep moving the goal posts to fit your narrative. I guess now you expect me to dig up opinion polls when opinion columns were not acceptable.

Things change. The Federal Government 'owned' the land. The local politicians can express an opinion, but have no real influence, so you figured wrong. I'm not sure if anyone anticipated the move, but the Federal government just gave some of the land to one of the First Nations, and no doubt will return more the others that have an interest. I don't think they indicated any Federal funding for future rail use. And the Provincial government are consulting them to see how they would like to proceed, so the First Nations are now effectively running the show. Most of their representatives just left the ICF, so that looks like it's history now.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Things change. The Federal Government 'owned' the land. The local politicians can express an opinion, but have no real influence, so you figured wrong. I'm not sure if anyone anticipated the move, but the Federal government just gave some of the land to one of the First Nations, and no doubt will return more the others that have an interest. And the Provincial government are consulting them to see how they would like to proceed, so they're now effectively running the show. Most of their representatives just left the ICF, so that looks like it's history now.

Why did you bring up Hamilton then? If the local politicians have an opinion, then Hamilton's RT is moot.

All this speaks more that you have no idea what you are talking about.

As far as land, the Federal government does not own it... That would be the Monarchy of Canada, of which treaties were drawn up by a representative.

Just stop commenting and your pain will be over. Or not, either way, thank you for helping me not be bored.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Why did you bring up Hamilton then? If the local politicians have an opinion, then Hamilton's RT is moot.

All this speaks more that you have no idea what you are talking about.

As far as land, the Federal government does not own it... That would be the Monarchy of Canada, of which treaties were drawn up by a representative.

Just stop commenting and your pain will be over. Or not, either way, thank you for helping me not be bored.

I didn't mention Hamilton. It was a Federal Governmnwet minister who announced the land would be returned to the First Nation. I don't think the King is going to step in, and contradict him. Maybe you should stop commenting on things you don't understand.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The problem is, Via is not the owner of the line, so they are at the mercy of the owners who should have been maintaining it. If I rent an apartment from you, would you expect me to replace the roof if it is leaking?

Exactly. And to further your analogy, if the building was a condemned money pit, loosing money every year, the landlord would evict the tenants, demolish the building, and find a new use for the land.

Infrastructure has a useful life and eventually it gets to the point where it is no longer economical to continue using it. When that time comes, difficult decisions need to be made. We can’t keep everything just because it was viable a century ago. A similar thing happened to the Hull–Chelsea–Wakefield Railway.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Exactly. And to further your analogy, if the building was a condemned money pit, loosing money every year, the landlord would evict the tenants, demolish the building, and find a new use for the land.

Infrastructure has a useful life and eventually it gets to the point where it is no longer economical to continue using it. When that time comes, difficult decisions need to be made. We can’t keep everything just because it was viable a century ago.

Continuing your analogy, if the land is zoned for residential, then the owner would tear down the old and then replace it with a modern building and then jack up the rent and the old tenants can apply to get a new loft.... It is not like that old apartment would become a factory.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Try? More like did. But I'm guessing facts don't matter when your goal is simply to try and provoke a response.

Hamilton wanted elevated rail, then got LRT, then nothing, and now LRT/BRT. Victoria wanted BRT, then LRT, then BRT again. Brampton initially didn't want LRT at all. Democracy is funny like that.

Please, keep trying to show me that the province of BC doesn't care about anything outside of SkyTrain. You say nothing's being done for the Island, and that's clearly a falsehood.

Originally Posted by Changing City

I didn't mention Hamilton. It was a Federal Governmnwet minister who announced the land would be returned to the First Nation. I don't think the King is going to step in, and contradict him. Maybe you should stop commenting on things you don't understand.

,,, my mistake.

It was the other nut.....

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Continuing your analogy, if the land is zoned for residential, then the owner would tear down the old and then replace it with a modern building and then jack up the rent and the old tenants can apply to get a new loft.... It is not like that old apartment would become a factory.

The owner would only replace the building with a new one if it was economical to do so. If not, they would likely cut their losses and leave the land dormant until the conditions change. If the land was leased, it would go back to the original owner.

Of course, the highly restrictive zoning we have here in North America owes its roots to segregation. Most other places in the world allow for more diverse uses of land to create more diverse, vibrant, walkable neighbourhoods, which helps reduce car dependency.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Exactly. Instead of trying to renovate an entire giant property and pay its utilities just for a single low-rent tenant, it makes more sense to demolish it, turn the majority into parkland and build a smaller building that might actually get used most of the time.

Don't bring up other cities in Ontario, and I won't bring up testimonials from those cities about how much transit still sucks there.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

,,, my mistake.

It was the other nut.....

Remind me a joke:

A woman called her husband and said, “Be careful on your drive home. I heard on the news that there’s some nut driving on the wrong side of the highway.” The husband replied, “It’s not just one, it’s everyone!”

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The owner would only replace the building with a new one if it was economical to do so. If not, they would likely cut their losses and leave the land dormant until the conditions change. If the land was leased, it would go back to the original owner.

Of course, the highly restrictive zoning we have here in North America owes its roots to segregation. Most other places in the world allow for more diverse uses of land to create more diverse, vibrant, walkable neighbourhoods, which helps reduce car dependency.

For the last 12 years it has remained dormant.

Originally Posted by roger1818

Remind me a joke:

A woman called her husband and said, “Be careful on your drive home. I heard on the news that there’s some nut driving on the wrong side of the highway.” The husband replied, “It’s not just one, it’s everyone!”

I openly know what and who I am. I am one of the many nuts on here. I am proud of it. I am also someone who won't let opinions get in the way of a good, long, multi page discussion.

[roger1818]

I read over on UT that the West Coast Express has acquired a F59PH (#907) from Progress Rail. I gather it is LTEX 18533, which was ex GO 533. Not sure what their plans for this locomotive are.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I read over on UT that the West Coast Express has acquired a F59PH (#907) from Progress Rail. I gather it is LTEX 18533, which was ex GO 533. Not sure what their plans for this locomotive are.

Could be for use as a backup if they are planning to restart service for Train 2 before the locomotive rebuild project is finished.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I read over on UT that the West Coast Express has acquired a F59PH (#907) from Progress Rail. I gather it is LTEX 18533, which was ex GO 533. Not sure what their plans for this locomotive are.

That's a really old loco that train companies all across North America are phasing out. Must be a spare one in case one of the current regular locos is down for servicing. Or it could be used as a shunter?

[mcj]

Originally Posted by Vin

That's a really old loco that train companies all across North America are phasing out. Must be a spare one in case one of the current regular locos is down for servicing. Or it could be used as a shunter?

It's the same model as the rest, just the non-streamlined version. You're likely correct for its use, there would likely be more coaches purchased if they were planning on adding an additional service (on top of the current canceled one), plus Translink would have to ask CPR for permission to do that.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by mcj

It's the same model as the rest, just the non-streamlined version. You're likely correct for its use, there would likely be more coaches purchased if they were planning on adding an additional service (on top of the current canceled one), plus Translink would have to ask CPR for permission to do that.

I know they have shorter trains since covid. Could they be looking at adding more shorter trains? So, keep them the same length but add more times? If that is the case, they would not need more coaches, except maybe the cab cars.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I know they have shorter trains since covid. Could they be looking at adding more shorter trains? So, keep them the same length but add more times? If that is the case, they would not need more coaches, except maybe the cab cars.

Not unless CPR agreed, which they wouldn't. They'd also have to pay for an additional crew, and they still haven't reintroduced Train 2, as the WCE was still showing the worst 'return to normal' on the entire TransLink system. Needing a spare while the existing engines are being rebuilt is a far more likely explanation.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Not unless CPR agreed, which they wouldn't. They'd also have to pay for an additional crew, and they still haven't reintroduced Train 2, as the WCE was still showing the worst 'return to normal' on the entire TransLink system. Needing a spare while the existing engines are being rebuilt is a far more likely explanation.

Sorry, I thought they were back to the same number of trains, just shorter.

So, if that is the case, that engine is likely just for switching.

[madog222]

907 is already in full WCE livery @ 33:10

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Sorry, I thought they were back to the same number of trains, just shorter.

So, if that is the case, that engine is likely just for switching.

Nope, Train 2 is still suspended. https://www.translink.ca/schedules-a...-coast-express

From a CPTDB poster Train 3 is back to 10 cars, I can't say for any of the others.

[trofirhen]

The next major milestone for the WCE will be having bi-directional service during the daily time window. I don't think there is the market for it now but am sure it's a matter of time until density warrants it.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

The next major milestone for the WCE will be having bi-directional service during the daily time window. I don't think there is the market for it now but am sure it's a matter of time until density warrants it.

That's not going to happen without dedicated tracks, not that there is anywhere to build dedicated tracks.