It's completely a waste of space, especially when you look at the issue of routing the buses between the tunnel and the terminal. Also, to build a new one while the existing one stays in operation means essentially doubling it's footprint for a lot of years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSsocal
Don't think I'd call the PABT a waste of space.
|
Building a new terminal, with provision to build on top just makes a complicated project that much more complicated, and the presence of the buses and terminal makes the property less desirable..
Quote:
Besides the potential capacity to build on top of the new terminal/garage,
|
Unquestionably yes. From really any objective, quantifiable way you want to look at it. Job generation, tax revenue generation, quality of life in the area, etc. A bus terminal is nothing but blight. It should be put where it impacts the fewest people directly. Out in an commercial area of Jersey is about right.
Quote:
really is another office/residential development such a better use?
|
This would essentially be a follow on to Hudson Yards, and if take to the fullest extent (including roofing over the tunnel approaches and building there.) it should approach NY is size. It's also a more desirable area, being closer to midtown.
Quote:
What would another 'worldwide plaza' development (which is really the scope of development we're talking about) really do?
|
There would be even more benefits from removing it, and using the subway to bring those passengers into the city. And that subway connects to all the major north/south lines in Manhattan, and goes directly into Grand Central.
Quote:
There are some tremendous benefits of having a terminal directly in the CBD, and also one that is so close to the other major rail terminals in Manhattan.
|
The cars are a separate problem that can be handled separately.
Quote:
The busses aren't the problem of congestion. Look at the Holland tunnel and it's just as much of a nightmare, stacked with cars.
|
One other benefit of my proposal is that there would then be a new rail transit line in to Manhattan. While it's direct purpose would be to support the new bus terminal, not everyone using that line in from Jersey would take the bus to the station. One of the advantages of the Meadowlands location for the terminal would be that the vast parking lot that almost all weekdays is completely empty, could be used as a huge park and ride to feed the subway line. That would be another way to keep cars out of the tunnel.