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[GertElim]

Will this building block ESB's view of the Flatiron Building?

Follow up question:

Will this building block Mulberry Streets view of ESB?

[nlosborne1]

Oh my gosh! this is horrible. Say goodbye to the Empire State Building! I support the empire station, but this is on 5th Ave. New York City isn’t New York without its icon, the Empire State Building. The southern view of the Empire State Building is the most famous one, and it should be protected.

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by nlosborne1

Oh my gosh! this is horrible. Say goodbye to the Empire State Building! I support the empire station, but this is on 5th Ave. New York City isn’t New York without its icon, the Empire State Building. The southern view of the Empire State Building is the most famous one, and it should be protected.

The ESB isn’t going anywhere.

[nlosborne1]

Originally Posted by BK1985

The ESB isn’t going anywhere.

Right, other buildings are moving in front of it. Same difference really. I want mega talks and super talls built everywhere in New York City, just not directly in front of the Empire State Building. To the left and right side is fine, just not blocking the front please.

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by nlosborne1

Right, other buildings are moving in front of it. Same difference really. I want mega talks and super talls built everywhere in New York City, just not directly in front of the Empire State Building. To the left and right side is fine, just not blocking the front please.

That ship has clearly sailed.

[Raysiri]

Yeah but why did New York allow the new buildings to block Chrysler Building, Flatiron, MetLife and so on, except for the Empire State Building?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Raysiri

Yeah but why did New York allow the new buildings to block Chrysler Building, Flatiron, MetLife and so on, except for the Empire State Building?

Because New York is a city, not just a museum of buildings. It’s why the Flatiron is no longer one of the tallest, and the Woolworth no longer dominates lower Manhattan. The Empire State Building has remained more visible because of its location. It’s not in the central business district, and residential towers are getting taller. Things may have turned out differently had the Met Life north been built to its full height, but we’ll never know.

[rgarri4]

Originally Posted by GertElim

Will this building block ESB's view of the Flatiron Building?

Follow up question:

Will this building block Mulberry Streets view of ESB?

Yes
And kinda

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by rgarri4

Yes
And kinda

rgarri, what's that cluster across from downtown in front of Brooklyn.

[NYguy]

Awesome renderings.

Originally Posted by MAC123

rgarri, what's that cluster across from downtown in front of Brooklyn.

That's the Lower East side, where 247 Cherry Street and others will join Extell's Manhattan Square.

[TonyNYC]

No issue with a tower going up here, you'll still see the Empire State just fine and it's big part part of what is happening in NoMad with Madison House, Rose Hill and 277 5th Ave.

My issue is the damn port hole facing east side of the building.. it is drop dead ugly!!

[Raysiri]

Originally Posted by TonyNYC

No issue with a tower going up here, you'll still see the Empire State just fine and it's big part part of what is happening in NoMad with Madison House, Rose Hill and 277 5th Ave.

My issue is the damn port hole facing east side of the building.. it is drop dead ugly!!

Nah, it still looks good since it got some futuristic looks.

[rgarri4]

Originally Posted by MAC123

rgarri, what's that cluster across from downtown in front of Brooklyn.

One Manhattan Square and all the Two Bridges proposals: 247 Cherry street, 260 South street etc.

[nlosborne1]

Originally Posted by rgarri4

One Manhattan Square and all the Two Bridges proposals: 247 Cherry street, 260 South street etc.

Rgarri, can you post a render from the Brooklyn bridge and another looking from the WTC?

[Xing Lin]

I don't think that every angle with a view of ESB should be held sacred, but IMO a London-style protected sight-line system wouldn't go amiss in NYC. The 1WTC-ESB-30 Rock view corridor has a pretty huge cultural prominence- Hollywood and wedding/events photographers are going to miss it when it's gone.

Of course, the problem is that protected view corridors would get abused and creep all over the city. But the piles being proposed in the Flatiron District (this and 29th & Fifth) aren't worth the famous views they're interrupting.

[NYguy]

The Empire State Building can be viewed from all over the city, including Manhattan. Are certain views going to be blocked? Absolutely, and not just in Manhattan. You can't protect every view from every vantage point. It just isn't possible. The best way to preserve a "view" of the Empire State Building is to build another, taller one, a modern icon that is respected in it's own right. It isn't 1931 anymore, and New York's most iconic skyscraper shouldn't have to come from that time. Unlike other cities, the New York skyline has been about constant change, as has its neighborhoods. That is the New York tradition.

[Xing Lin]

Originally Posted by NYguy

The Empire State Building can be viewed from all over the city, including Manhattan. Are certain views going to be blocked? Absolutely, and not just in Manhattan. You can't protect every view from every vantage point. It just isn't possible.

I definitely agree on that point- even London has very stringently defined view corridors and anything outside of those clearly defined areas is fair game for skyscrapers.

I personally can't see the ESB and other '30s landmarks being 'phased out' as the prime synecdoche for New York within our lifetimes, but probably for the generation who grows up with these current projects defining the skyline. The exception being the WTC which has huge global historic significance. But this is just an outsider's perspective.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Xing Lin

I definitely agree on that point- even London has very stringently defined view corridors and anything outside of those clearly defined areas is fair game for skyscrapers.

I personally can't see the ESB and other '30s landmarks being 'phased out' as the prime synecdoche for New York within our lifetimes, but probably for the generation who grows up with these current projects defining the skyline. The exception being the WTC which has huge global historic significance. But this is just an outsider's perspective.

The ESB has a lot of history, and is a tourist attraction because of it. But it’s already being phased out as the dominant icon of midtown. Any view of the skyline will show that, and it will only get worse as new and taller towers continue to rise.

[chris08876]

Activity Resumes On 1,011-Foot Supertall At 262 Fifth Avenue In NoMad, Manhattan

Excavation has finally begun at 262 Fifth Avenue, the site of a long-planned 1,011-foot-tall residential supertall skyscraper in NoMad. Designed by Russian-based firm Meganom with SLCE Architects as the executive architect and developed by Boris Kuzinez of Five Points Development under the Five Points 262 Project, LLC, the 60-story tower will yield 139,168 square feet of residential space divided into 41 units and 10,850 square feet of retail space on the first two floors. CM & Associates Construction Management, LLC is the general contractor for the project, which is located at the corner of Fifth Avenue and West 29th Street.

The site had sat dormant since the DOB approved plans in October of 2017 and the previous low-rise occupants of the site were cleared, but activity is now underway. Photographs looking through the construction board windows show excavators already more than several feet below street level and crews beginning to construct a temporary wooden and metal wall to hold back to exposed earth along Fifth Avenue.

Renderings by DBOX were first released in late 2017 and show a very slender edifice composed of a mix of floor-to-ceiling glass, interspersed outdoor terraces on the upper half of the superstructure, and aluminum-clad walls. The eastern elevation facing Fifth Avenue will have porthole-shaped windows surrounded by aluminum and glass, the western side would house the vertical core walls holding all the mechanical systems, elevators, and egress staircases, and the northern and southern walls are to be enclosed with a triple-glazed glass curtain wall system and additional oversized aluminum panels.

Residences will have customizable open-floor plans due to expansive, column-free interiors that will be supplemented with unobstructed views looking south at Lower Manhattan and north at Midtown and the nearby Empire State Building. 262 Fifth Avenue is also expected to incorporate 260 Fifth Avenue and its prewar 12-story limestone exterior into its base. At the very top is a hollow box-shaped metal frame that will hold a private residential observation deck.

262 Fifth Avenue’s newly revised completion date is now summer 2023.

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[JMKeynes]

I really hope that this turns out ok. That aluminum facade sounds ridiculous.