NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich - 2 WTC | 1,270 FT | 80 FLOORS | ON HOLD

[Busy Bee]

Which leads to the obvious question of why the hell are we still adhering to that ridiculous Libeskind height spiral. Taken out the context of the WTC redevelopment framework, what the downtown skyline needs is to be anchored by a 1,600+ foot tower. This site doesn't need to be saddled by the burden of a symbolic tribute to roof height.

[Hudson11]

also for what its worth the 2WTC page on Silverstein's website has recently been locked, only those with a password can now access it. Probably in preparation of an update of the page with these new graphics and renderings.

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...d-trade-center

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

also for what its worth the 2WTC page on Silverstein's website has recently been locked, only those with a password can now access it. Probably in preparation of an update of the page with these new graphics and renderings.

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...d-trade-center

I really hope that this is the design and not that 1,250’ pile of Pathmark vanilla ice cream that Yimby leaked.

[Crawford]

Wow, that rendering is pretty amazing. Definitely better than Foster and BIG.

Build it, Silverstein! This is the project that will most define his legacy.

[worldtrade2021]

New renderings are apparently from https://maria-farah.com/2WTC as per this link:
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threa...post-177183468

There is the same 2 WTC logo as in this link (which has now been made private): https://www.chloeyae.design/work/2wtc

Originally Posted by Raysiri

Someone on SkyscraperCity posted a very interesting website: https://www.chloeyae.design/work/2wtc

Originally Posted by MAC123

From the renderings it is already going to have a higher roofline than 1WTC, which I find pretty funny.

All the better. The gap in the lower manhattan skyline needs to be filled. The towers will also look a lot more like twins, especially when viewed from the west across the Hudson River.

Credit to skcr for the following images showing the gap that would be filled:




When 2 WTC is around the same height as 1 WTC to the roofline:


The more you think about it, the current 1 WTC has the presence of a lone twin tower standing. It was the twin aspect of the old world trade center that gave it its perceived size.


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threa...erent.2182590/

Credit to FTL Beach Bum on skyscrapercity for the above render.

No matter what the rebuilding plans are from hereon, it always could have been worse: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ticle-1.377512

[NYguy]

Clay Hensley

[JMKeynes]

I glanced at the article. I didn’t see a statement as to whether or not there’s confirmation that this is the design. Some of the renderings look official though, like the ones posted below. Further, it seems to parallel the "latest design." If, in fact, what we've seen lately is the new design, I think that it looks amazing.

https://newyorkyimby.com/2022/02/new...-district.html

[BuildThemTaller]

Looks nice. Bundles boxes are a classic look. Let's get vertical already.

[worldtrade2021]

Hopefully the construction and opening of the nearby Performing Arts Center will renew interest in the site and encourage vertical construction of 2 World Trade Center.

Given the track record of false starts on this building, the truly encouraging signs will not be when official renderings are released nor when news of prospective anchor tenants is heard, but when someone at Silverstein Properties announces an official date for the start of the above ground construction of 2 World Trade Center.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by worldtrade2021

Hopefully the construction and opening of the nearby Performing Arts Center will renew interest in the site and encourage vertical construction of 2 World Trade Center.

Given the track record of false starts on this building, the truly encouraging signs will not be when official renderings are released nor when news of prospective anchor tenants is heard, but when someone at Silverstein Properties announces an official date for the start of the above ground construction of 2 World Trade Center.

Since the price of oil has gone through the roof again and is expected to go higher, I can see some Gulf Sovereign Wealth Fund financing this so that it can rise on spec.

I hope that it's got the large hotel component that NY Guy had cited a few months ago from some DoB filing. A smaller office component (i.e., 2m sf v.2.8) makes spec construction much more viable.

[JMKeynes]

Since the foundations, etc. are complete, I wonder how long this will take to build.

[worldtrade2021]

It appears that the https://maria-farah.com/2WTC site also went private (it now requires a password to submit to view the contents).

This is possibly due to the sensitive nature of the details (i.e. these details are only meant for people behind the scenes and tenants that have insider information, not the general public).

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

Since the price of oil has gone through the roof again and is expected to go higher, I can see some Gulf Sovereign Wealth Fund financing this so that it can rise on spec.

I hope that it's got the large hotel component that NY Guy had cited a few months ago from some DoB filing. A smaller office component (i.e., 2m sf v.2.8) makes spec construction much more viable.

Yes at this point I can't really see construction starting sooner (i.e. before 2023 when the Performing Arts Center is currently expected to be completed and open) than later, outside of significant donations from an outside organization or individual, much like what occurred with the Performing Arts Center in 2016 and then again in 2018.
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/n...ng-arts-center
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/new...n-grant-11546/

It would make sense that some portion of 2 World Trade Center is allotted to a hotel as a sort of replacement for the Marriott hotel that was on the Old WTC site (even though the Port Authority had relieved Marriott of having to rebuild a hotel for the new WTC complex https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/n...nter-site.html). It would be another way to pay a nice homage to the Old WTC site in a way.

[mfastx]

Looks nice but wake me up when construction resumes.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by worldtrade2021

It appears that the https://maria-farah.com/2WTC site also went private (it now requires a password to submit to view the contents).

This is possibly due to the sensitive nature of the details (i.e. these details are only meant for people behind the scenes and tenants that have insider information, not the general public).



Yes at this point I can't really see construction starting sooner (i.e. before 2023 with the completion of the Performing Arts Center) than later, outside of significant donations from an outside organization or individual, much like what occurred with the Performing Arts Center in 2016 and then again in 2018.
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/n...ng-arts-center
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/new...n-grant-11546/

It would make sense that some portion of 2 World Trade Center is allotted to a hotel as a sort of replacement for the Marriott hotel that was on the Old WTC site. It would be another way to pay a nice homage to the Old WTC site in a way.

That the maria-farah website went private indicates that this spectacular design is, in fact, the one we're getting!

If anyone is viewing this at Silverstein Properties, then kudos to Mr. Silverstein and Lord Foster for coming up with an iconic design! Mr. Silverstein is a great New Yorker!

[SkyHigher]

Hudson Yards comes to the so called World Trade Center. What a crock of shit.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I'm more distracted by what a freaking mess West St is in that view. Why isn't that an underground highway again? In theory could the highway be submerged and still clear the passageways to the WFC? Anyone know?

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

I'm more distracted by what a freaking mess West St is in that view. Why isn't that an underground highway again? In theory could the highway be submerged and still clear the passageways to the WFC? Anyone know?

I agree, but it's way better than it was before 9/11. That being said, the city should reduce several more lanes of traffic and add more green space. All of those traffic lanes aren't necessary.

[Manitopiaaa]

This isn't the most inspirational tower, but let's at least be grateful we're not getting another Bjarke Ingels barfbag-inducing shitstain of a design. I'll be content if this gets built considering the alternative was a tower that looked like it was falling into 1WTC.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Hudson Yards comes to the so called World Trade Center. What a crock of shit.

Is that supposed to be a criticism? Because it isn't.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Manitopiaaa

This isn't the most inspirational tower, but let's at least be grateful we're not getting another Bjarke Ingels barfbag-inducing shitstain of a design. I'll be content if this gets built considering the alternative was a tower that looked like it was falling into 1WTC.

It seems a little to 'busy' a design to me as if its' trying too hard to be fancy. With 3 and 4 having setbacks and 1 with its trapezoidal side, I actually think a more simple but nice box with perhaps a angled rood like the World Financial Towers or the One Worldwide Tower in Midtown might look better at the site. Perhaps not every building on the site needs to a unique architectural design. I actually thought the complex was too 'busy' architecturally when it was first shown and thought they did not really need to choose separate architects for each building on the site.