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I overall really like the tower. I think it is just different enough from the Asian ones to not be lumped in with them (JMO of course.) I do think that if the design was tweaked a bit so the Gothic reference was a bit less subtle (but not too tweaked) it would be more distinct and would relate to The original building more.

I would like more something where not just a skyscraper lover or architecture critic would get the Gothic reference in the incomplete arch at the top.

Just a bit of tweaking to make it even more distinct from the Asian ones and to reference the Gothic bit a bit more.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 8:00 PM
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an intriguing idea.

if i'm following what you're suggesting, it could be a contemporary take on the delicate tracery often found in gothic architecture, tying the new tower back into tribune tower, without being too literal.
I hadn't even thought of that, but yes that would be a nice allusion as well. I was thinking of it more because it terminates a little too cleanly and precisely at the top. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination and stunts the visual trajectory of the building as a whole, especially on the N and S elevations where there are no pronounced vertical elements (or any at all, for that matter).
     
     
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It certainly resembles the Chinese buildings referenced earlier, but I still like it. It has grown on me. The height is fantastic, I love the crown, and it is very streamlined (no setbacks), and very different than any of our other supertalls, save the Hancock. I actually think it pays homage to the Hancock while not reproducing it. Thumbs up on this tower, bro.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2018, 9:02 PM
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I actually feel that the base is missing out on a great opportunity to do some sort of tribute to the flying buttresses of the original or at least something more gothic at the least. The tower is nearly perfect as is to me. Idk, just a thought
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WOW that would be EPIC for Chicago! Love it

     
     
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Overall I like this proposal. Will it be an icon? Likely not but I imagine it will fit nearly seemingly into the skyline which is no small feat for a 1400ft tower. It will also serve as a major counter-weight to Sears Tower to give equal heft and weight to balance the skyline out visually.

I do wonder what will become of the plans and the base on the north side of the building. Has there been any released renders of that side of the building? I would hope they include a major retail/restaurant presence on that side as well. Right now that isn't a very busy street and it comes off as rather underutilized for being right off Michigan.
     
     
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Can someone point out the terracotta element to me? Or was that just a rumor? (Maybe I'm confusing this with the spire site?
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Can someone point out the terracotta element to me? Or was that just a rumor? (Maybe I'm confusing this with the spire site?
I don't think it was ever confirmed, in fact it's probably not going to be terracotta, but it would look good on the east/west walls
     
     
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Can someone point out the terracotta element to me? Or was that just a rumor? (Maybe I'm confusing this with the spire site?
I think it's something of an optical illusion from this image. The glass looks white and opaque which brings terracotta to mind. The lighter strands are glass. The darker strands are the bronze fins.

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Can someone point out the terracotta element to me? Or was that just a rumor? (Maybe I'm confusing this with the spire site?
Terra Cotta was definitely being talked about on The Spire Site thread
     
     
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Just to be absolutely clear, before there’s an OBP style argument 5 years from now if and when this is built... the entire design hinges on those bronze finials.

If those get VE’d out, or made less prominent, or don’t extent all the way to the top, then this design sucks.

Core-Ten steel would also work nicely.
The design would absolutely suffer if the fins were somehow diminished. The tower portion would feel very bland without those contrasting vertical elements, with only the crown being a saving grace. Let's thank our lucky stars its Golub and CIM working on this, and not the VE-ing specialists at Related.
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^^^ The difference is that this building doesn't need to be VE'd. They aren't trying to force historic features that should be hand crafted or at least made of real materials. The fins on the window system likely aren't any pricier than the fins on Trump or 300 N LaSalle. They might even be cheaper since stainless steel isn't cheap itself! It's not like they are plated in gold.

That's the thing though, this building is of our era. It's not some hoaky transplant from the past that will be executed poorly because those skills and tradespeople simply don't exist any more. This building is like any other glass clad 21st century tower and therefore there's a lot less of a risk of VE'ing because you are going to be using that glass curtainwall no matter what. The only VE you would see here is if they decided to somehow use a window wall instead of a curtain wall which I just don't see happening on a 1400' signature project.


The other thing this proposal has going for it financially is the renovation of Tribune itself. It's likely that the developer's proforma will totally pay for the cost of acquiring both the building and the land and then some once the Tribune itself is sold out. At that point they are basically playing with house money building on land they now own as of right. That makes financing a big tower like this a lot easier. And let's face it, you basically can't lose selling the Tribune as condos, it's literally on Michigan Ave, one of the most prime addresses in the entire city, and one of the most iconic edifices around. The so called "most beautiful building in the world". Those upper floor penthouses in the buttresses are going to be exceptional and I expect the pace of sales for this entire conversion will be as well. Once they have the zoning and have the conversion sold out, it's just a matter of time before this proposal (or a similar future design) gets built. This isn't like Spire or other failed projects, this is one of the best located lots in the city and has serious developers with a long track record behind it. This has more in common with WPS and Vista than all the visionary BS that has gone belly up in Chicago. Buildings like the remainder of LSE and Wolf Point are guaranteed to be built eventually because they are part of multi decade long term plans by extremely experienced and well financed individuals. CIM and Goulb are the same way, if 2019 isn't the right time to break ground on this, they can wait until 2021 or 2022 for things to improve and will probably make even more money doing so. Patience is THE virtue in Real Estate.

So let's all hope these guys blow out the numbers on the condo conversion setting us up for another 100 years of a preserved Tribune Tower and setting them up to build a new landmark behind it!
     
     
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I don't think anyone has pointed this out before but it looks like there are some small bronze elements on the north and south facades as well. I can't tell if they are fins or bars (like the ones on wolf point west) or what.
     
     
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Can someone point out the terracotta element to me? Or was that just a rumor? (Maybe I'm confusing this with the spire site?

Terracotta is being discussed regarding the Spire plans.
     
     
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^^^ The difference is that this building doesn't need to be VE'd. They aren't trying to force historic features that should be hand crafted or at least made of real materials... This building is like any other glass clad 21st century tower and therefore there's a lot less of a risk of VE'ing because you are going to be using that glass curtainwall no matter what. The only VE you would see here is if they decided to somehow use a window wall instead of a curtain wall which I just don't see happening on a 1400' signature project.
I have to disagree... there is a lot here that could be VE'd, not just the 'shadow boxes' at all of the plenums (an expensive detail I pointed out in an earlier post that gives a significant amount of depth and richness to the facades), but plenty of other details as well, like the glass 'frit' patterns along the corners of the tower... with a design like this (somewhat minimal), it's these details that help insure a great project from an ordinary one...
     
     
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Just realized something. Would 113 floors be the most in a single building in Chicago?
     
     
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Would 113 floors be the most in a single building in Chicago?
yeah, i believe so.

the current floor count champion in chicago is the sears tower with a total of 110 above-grade floors.
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Just realized something. Would 113 floors be the most in a single building in Chicago?
It would be the most in any single building in the western hemisphere. . .

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It would be the most in any single building in the western hemisphere. . .

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Is it really 113 floors or just a marketing gimmick?

Central park tower in NYC is 131 "floors" but really has 99, I believe.
     
     
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