Paris Transit Thread

[Minato Ku]

I have nothing against tram in medium city but in Paris, the tram is used by the local politian (City of Paris, and regional council) as a way to build faster a less expensive metro.
The T6 and T7 are all old metro extension project transformed in tram project.
It may be seem better than nothing but in reality they have a lower capacity and strongly proves to be ineficient few year after.

The Grand Paris Express project only come because the former president Sarkozy came with this projet, few months before the head of region said that a subway ring in suburbs was not necessary.
It been over a decade that we have a bad transpotation policy, it looks good on media but in reality it is desatrous.

[ardecila]

Is Grand Paris part of the RER network or the Metro network? Will it be operated by SNCF or RATP?

[Minato Ku]

In my opinion, it will be part of the metro.
For the company, I don't know, it can also be neither of both.

[Minato Ku]

Renovation of the northern RER B.

La Courneuve-Aubervilliers
Heightening of platforms and construction of lifts.

[Minato Ku]

Grand Paris Express, Red line south.

-33 km
-16 stations
-Start of the work in the end of 2013





Scroll >>>>>


http://www.lignerougesud.fr/

[Swede]

Woah! Every single station will have transfers to other rail transit!
I also notice that none of the other lines cross it more than once ('cept for A, but that's two different branches so it doesn't count). I like it, I like it a lot.

btw - thanks for keeping this thread going, Minato Ku. It's made me want to visit Paris way more than I did before

[mousquet]

Fine.
My suburb is served right from the beginning.
Yours too, Minato.

[Alon]

How much staffing is there on the RER? I've heard people talk about conductors on the RER, but I can't tell if those are actual conductors or drivers (conducteurs, damn those false friends). How many employees are there per RER train - 1 or 2?

[mousquet]

There's at least a (single) driver per train and probably a whole team of switchmen per line. That's my guess. Some of our colleagues here may be better aware.
And rail maintenance is a daily costly work, I'm pretty sure about that.
But it's worth the efforts.

[Alon]

To clarify, I'm talking about on-board employees, rather than station staff, maintenance workers, etc. It comes from a debate within New York about eliminating conductors.

[ardecila]

I don't remember any conductors on the RER, and I've ridden several times. IIRC the entire system is faregate-controlled, so there's no need for conductors unless you're enforcing security.

[Minato Ku]

The metro and RER works with a one man operation.
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Tangentielle Nord line


-Phase 1: Épinay - Le Bourget.
11 km
7 stations
Opening in 2014
-Phase 2: West Sartrouville - Epinay and East Le Bourget - Noisy le Sec
17 km
7 other stations
Start of the work in the end of the 2013
Opening by 2018

The line will be served by a train every 5 minutes by direction.

www.tangentiellenord.f

Work at Épinay Villetaneuse.

[Minato Ku]

It is not very visible in the previous picture but Épinay Villetaneuse is a station served by suburban trains from Gare du Nord, .
Épinay Villetaneuse will provide a transfer between both line.
In blue, it is where will run the Tangentielle Nord.


There is a train every 3 minutes between Épinay Villetaneuse and Gare du Nord (Central Paris) in rush hours.

[Minato Ku]

Saint-Denis - Epinay - Villetaneuse


Work in Épinay-sur-Seine





With the tramway and the construction of a new mall, the center of Épinay-sur-Seine is completely under the work.


Video in french

[Alon]

Originally Posted by Minato Ku

The metro and RER works with a one man operation.

Thanks.

[Swede]

T8? How many T-lines are operational now? how many bwing built? how many planned?

[mousquet]

This is it, Swede. I'm still astonished at it myself.

Originally Posted by Minato Ku

Tramway construction





Currently
Noisy-le-Sec - Gare de Saint-Denis
Opening: 1992 (last extension in 2002)
Length: 12 km
Stations: 26
Daily ridership: 115,000

Extension work
Gare de Saint Denis - Asnières-Gennevilliers-Les Courtilles
Opening: 2012
Length: 4.9 km
Stations: 10
Daily ridership: 43,000






Currently
Porte de Versailles - La Défense
Opening: 1997 (last extension in 2009)
Length: 13.6 km
Stations: 17
Daily ridership: 115,000

Extension work
La Défense - Pont de Bezons
Opening: 2012
Length: 4.2 km
Stations: 7
Daily ridership: 58,500






Currently
Pont du Garigliano - Porte d'Ivry
Opening: 2006
Length: 7.9 km
Stations: 17
Daily ridership: 112,000

Extension work
Porte d'Ivry - Porte de Vincennes
Opening: 2012
Length: 4.9 km
Stations: 8
Daily ridership: 65,000






Under in construction
Porte de Vincennes - Porte de la Chapelle
Opening: 2012
Length: 9.6 km
Stations: 18
Daily ridership: 90,200






Under in construction
Saint-Denis Place du 8 Main 1945 - Garges-Sarcelles
Opening: 2012
Length: 6.6 km
Stations: 16
Daily ridership: 30,000






Under in construction
Châtillon Montrouge - Viroflay Rive Droite
Opening: 2014
Length: 14 km (1.6 km in tunnel)
Stations: 21
Daily ridership: 82,000






Under in construction
Villejuif Louis Aragon - Athis-Mons
Opening: 2013
Length: 11.2 km
Stations: 18
Daily ridership: 37,000






Under in construction
Saint-Denis Porte de Paris - Épinay Orgemont - Villetaneuse Université
Opening: 2014
Length: 8.5 km
Stations: 17
Daily ridership: 45,000

The 3 existing lines are extended + 5 new ones currently developed.

However, Minato made some fair criticism about such an extensive use of LRT in greater Paris. The capacity of those systems might well be proven too short, because ridership is real big around here.
Besides, I think there's a couple of guided light transit systems in there (French: tramway sur pneumatiques, literally pneumatic trams), the same kind as those of Nancy, eastern France and Caen, Normandy and I vaguely read that people weren't satisfied at all over there. Can you confirm, Minato? Which lines are tramway sur pneumatiques? That might be annoying, right?
The planned Grand Paris system alone is actually bigger than these lighter things, automated heavy rail I think, large capacity.

Edit: yep, the T6 line will be pneumatic. Vehicles will be manufactured by a business from the region of Alsace (Lohr Industrie) instead of Bombardier that disappointed people in Caen and Nancy.

[Minato Ku]

Exactly it is Translhor like in Clermont-Ferrand. The T5 and T6 will use this technology.
Anyway even Translhor is disappointing and have several issues.

It is a strong lobbying of the company on suburban mayors and the regional autority responsables that lead to this choice rather than a reasoned comparison.
The RATP was against it.

[Minato Ku]

Rosa Parks
A new station located in the northeastern side of the inner city, it should open in december 2015.

[Alon]

Can you explain what's exactly involved in building this station? Wikipedia tells me the cost of the project is 130 million Euros, which is well more than what it costs to add an above-ground infill station in the US, otherwise a much higher-construction cost country than France.