PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by phl10

i will trust your taste but it seems that we have plenty of chain fried chicken places already. Do we need another?

yes.

[DudeGuy]

Originally Posted by PHL10

I will trust your taste but it seems that we have plenty of chain fried chicken places already. Do we need another?

Cane's is truly out of this world. It fills the market between Chick Fil A and Popeyes, but is better than both.

[The 700 Block]

Did they change the design on this one? Thought it was supposed to look like this
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/05/cons...liberties.html

Originally Posted by summersm343

Construction Underway At The Beverly at 1102 Germantown Ave In Northern Liberties

Rendering:


Current progress:


Current progress:


Read/view more here:
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/10/cons...ladelphia.html

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by The 700 Block

Did they change the design on this one? Thought it was supposed to look like this
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/05/cons...liberties.html

I feel like Philly Yimby is confusing developments. Stamm Development broke ground on it only a few months ago, and from their Instagram, they were pouring the foundation on 9/12/21.

But I sure hope the design didn't change, I was excited for this one.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by The 700 Block

Did they change the design on this one? Thought it was supposed to look like this
https://phillyyimby.com/2021/05/cons...liberties.html

Classic PhillyYIMBY.

The building shown in that article is 1102 2nd. I’m unsure of what this development is called but it isn’t the Beverly, which is 1102 Germantown, and as far as atlas shows, is still six stories and is likely still that sharp looking design you originally linked to. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s on the left in that last photo.

You’d think PhillyYIMBY would, you know, be on top of this stuff…

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

I feel like Philly Yimby is confusing developments. Stamm Development broke ground on it only a few months ago, and from their Instagram, they were pouring the foundation on 9/12/21.

But I sure hope the design didn't change, I was excited for this one.

Honestly tho who can even see it with the Mogadishu wire setup there.

Might as well be a cardboard box.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Honestly tho who can even see it with the Mogadishu wire setup there.

Might as well be a cardboard box.

What are they digging below grade in those photos? Could it be what we’ve dreamed of for so long?

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

What are they digging below grade in those photos? Could it be what we’ve dreamed of for so long?

When hell hath freeze over.

[Baconboy007]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I know of one planned in Bucks, do you know where else in the city they plan on going?

The only other one I know in the city is on Temple's campus but I'm sure there will be more to come.

[The 700 Block]

Thanks McGrath. Glad to hear the flat iron is still happening. I

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Classic PhillyYIMBY.

The building shown in that article is 1102 2nd. I’m unsure of what this development is called but it isn’t the Beverly, which is 1102 Germantown, and as far as atlas shows, is still six stories and is likely still that sharp looking design you originally linked to. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s on the left in that last photo.

You’d think PhillyYIMBY would, you know, be on top of this stuff…

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by DudeGuy

Cane's is truly out of this world. It fills the market between Chick Fil A and Popeyes, but is better than both.

Yea ok buddy Chicken better then Popeyes ????

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Yea ok buddy Chicken better then Popeyes ????

I see somebody's gonna be there on opening day to sort things out.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

When hell hath freeze over.

How great would it have been if they had included about 50 billion in the infrastructure bill to start the ball rolling with nationwide utility burial? Talk about good politics if you could have citizens nationwide, rural suburban urban, see ugly power lines dissappear over a few days time. That is exactly the kind of taxpayer benefit that people can actually see and feel and would go a long way in creating good will towards the governement that made it happen.

[Redddog]

Gawd. The amount of construction going on right now on that corner is dizzying.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

How great would it have been if they had included about 50 billion in the infrastructure bill to start the ball rolling with nationwide utility burial? Talk about good politics if you could have citizens nationwide, rural suburban urban, see ugly power lines dissappear over a few days time. That is exactly the kind of taxpayer benefit that people can actually see and feel and would go a long way in creating good will towards the governement that made it happen.

While we agree on the aesthetic value of burying utility lines, I’m not sure that equates with taxpayer willingness to subsidize it. Another argument is that burying the lines reduces outages from weather and stray vehicles. Again, is that enough to sway taxpayers who may feel that the utilities are cheapskates who have calculated that the cost of burying lines is less attractive than the cost of repair crews and our inconvenience?

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

While we agree on the aesthetic value of burying utility lines, I’m not sure that equates with taxpayer willingness to subsidize it. Another argument is that burying the lines reduces outages from weather and stray vehicles. Again, is that enough to sway taxpayers who may feel that the utilities are cheapskates who have calculated that the cost of burying lines is less attractive than the cost of repair crews and our inconvenience?

I agree. The city should make it a requirement for developments with a certain amount of street frontage and also coordinate with other agencies when the street will be torn up otherwise to replace gas lines, etc.

Otherwise it should be a ratepayer subsidy. Like if your lines are buried on a block, all the rate payers pay a surcharge of whatever, $5, $10 a month until the cost of the work is paid off.

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I see somebody's gonna be there on opening day to sort things out.

When I looked at their website the other day the pictures of the food looked kinds of eh.

However, I won't just the food based on some cute photoshoot lineup.

As Brown said ill be there to check them out.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I agree. The city should make it a requirement for developments with a certain amount of street frontage and also coordinate with other agencies when the street will be torn up otherwise to replace gas lines, etc.

Otherwise it should be a ratepayer subsidy. Like if your lines are buried on a block, all the rate payers pay a surcharge of whatever, $5, $10 a month until the cost of the work is paid off.

Okay that sounds reasonable, but I don't see such a path as transitioning quick enough. The ratepayer path could take decades all the while the utility co's would continue to repair, replace and install overhead. What may be needed is a split federal incentive investment/ratepayer subsidy that basically says to utility co's that the federal government, in the interest of energy grid modernization, will contribute x % amount towards burial and the balance offered to ratepayers at a much lower $ number. What those numbers would be I cannot say.

As to your first point regarding new construction that should be so obvious I have trouble coming to terms with why its not a requirement. It's insanity. I'd also love to see the electrical (and gas) equipment industry develop in coordination with architects and/or urban cities a compact utility meter cluster box or panel of some sort that could either be recessed or hidden in some other manner on the lower part of streetfacing facades. The defiling of the street and the facades of these buildings by conduits and utility meters is out of this world and needs to be addressed.

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I agree. The city should make it a requirement for developments with a certain amount of street frontage and also coordinate with other agencies when the street will be torn up otherwise to replace gas lines, etc.

Otherwise it should be a ratepayer subsidy. Like if your lines are buried on a block, all the rate payers pay a surcharge of whatever, $5, $10 a month until the cost of the work is paid off.

Dangerous argument there, that's what toll roads were supposed to be as well.

Tolls were supposed to stay on the road until the road was paid off, as we see that did not happen.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Dangerous argument there, that's what toll roads were supposed to be as well.

Tolls were supposed to stay on the road until the road was paid off, as we see that did not happen.

Yeah sure, but we have so much data and technology it could be adopted quite easily. Just like how the parking permit situation works. If X percent of property owners on your street agree to permit the block, the city does it.

Then, PECO schedules the work and all the rate payers on the block pay the surcharge for a pre-defined period of time. The city could also tack on it's work and do other utility repair and replacement at the same time.