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Old Posted Feb 9, 2023, 1:54 PM
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In the news when they talked about the reopening of Wellington they mentioned it will include some sort of minor road diet and "temporary" bike lanes. So there will be some sort of improvements.

Why temporary bike lanes and not doing proper ones straight away? Maybe because the city takes forever and needs to do reviews and planning for months to make them permanent? But still hopeful that improvements are coming.
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In the news when they talked about the reopening of Wellington they mentioned it will include some sort of minor road diet and "temporary" bike lanes. So there will be some sort of improvements.

Why temporary bike lanes and not doing proper ones straight away? Maybe because the city takes forever and needs to do reviews and planning for months to make them permanent? But still hopeful that improvements are coming.
The idea this is temporary. Of course we know most likely it will be like this 5 years + but we can dream Feds and City will come up with some new plan for a complete street.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Reopening Wellington Street: what must be done before traffic returns — and what comes later?

Catherine Morrison, Ottawa Citizen
Published Feb 13, 2023 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 4 minute read


With Wellington Street set to reopen in the coming weeks, certain details need to be worked out such as when it will actually be accessible to all traffic — no earlier than March 1 — and safety considerations.

Ottawa city council’s vote last week to reopen the street, which has for months been partially closed to vehicle traffic in light of the convoy protest last winter, was also a vote for bike lanes, street signs and a traffic light to be put in place.

Meanwhile, questions raised about the long-term future of the street fronting Parliament Hill are set to take a while longer to answer, including which level of government might eventually be responsible for Wellington, as talks about jurisdiction and ownership between the city and the federal government continue.

Cycling

Phil Landry, director of traffic services with the city, told council the plan — for this year — is for a temporary bike lane to be created on Wellington with painted lines and flex posts. He expects there will be a lane in each direction and signs installed.

“The rationale for that is that putting in any other type of protection, like pin curbs, becomes very expensive, so we want to get something done sooner that’s affordable,” he said.

Landry said the city hopes to maximize its cycling network, encouraging points of connection from Sussex through to Lyon streets, and maybe even further.

Landry said the city does not yet know the costs for implementing traffic changes on Wellington, though more information will be determined once the bike lane design is completed.

Following the meeting, Vivi Chi, director of transportation planning with the city, said the long-term plan is to have permanent, continuous two-way cycle tracks along the north side of Wellington St. between the Portage Bridge, Mackenzie Avenue and Sussex Drive

“Regardless of the outcome of discussions with the federal government over the jurisdiction of Wellington Street, there is joint interest in ensuring that safe cycling facilities are part of the street’s future design,” Chi said.

Traffic

Landry said he expects travel patterns to change with the reopening of Wellington Street.

“Motorists who currently have to turn onto adjacent streets to get through the core will no longer have to do this,” Landry said. “This will lead to fewer conflicts between motorists and pedestrians, a reduction of delays for motorists travelling in the core and faster and more direct travel times through the core.”

Landry said the speed limit will remain the same as the currently open section of Wellington Street.

Before opening, the city will re-install a traffic light that was removed at the intersection of Metcalfe and Wellington streets last year when there weren’t many vehicles on the roads. Landry said bike lane signs will also have to be installed.

“When we’re going to be opening Wellington Street, we have to be ready to ensure the safety of everyone,” he said.

Working with the federal government, the city will be developing a traffic study to share by the first quarter of 2024.

“We will be reporting back once the traffic study analysis is complete,” Landry said. “If there is anything to report back in advance of that, we would certainly bring that forward to committee and council.”

Transit

Landry said the city will be working with both OC Transpo and the Société de transport de l’Outaouais bus service ahead of the reopening. He noted that, when the street was closed, there was only one route on Wellington.

“They changed their schedule when they’re travelling within downtown,” he said. “Normally, they will transit through Lyon and other streets, so if we do have to make some modification to the routes of OC Transpo, we will present (to council).”

Security and jurisdiction

The Ottawa Police Service noted that the reopening process for Wellington will take time as issues around both infrastructure and safety are discussed, adding that conversations with partner organizations have already begun.

“We know this is a priority issue in Ottawa,” the police force stated in an email. “It’s important we work together to chart a path moving forward for this area.”

According to police, the next steps will include considerations of “various safety measures.”

“In collaboration with all the partners that have responsibility in securing Parliament Hill and the surrounding area (Parliamentary Protective Service, the City of Ottawa, and the RCMP, etc.) we will develop measures to ensure public safety and community wellbeing around Parliament Hill and throughout the downtown core,” police indicated.

Moving forward, the city is engaging in conversations with federal officials regarding which government should have jurisdiction over the street.

When speaking with reporters before question period on Wednesday last week, Minister of Public Services and Procurement Helena Jaczek said discussions about the future of the parliamentary precinct are taking place.

“We’re really exploring a lot of opportunities,” Jaczek said. “If you look at international capital cities, most of them have formed some sort of parliamentary precinct that makes sense not only from the point of view obviously of local residents, but on behalf of all Canadians to have a nation’s capital that we can all be proud of. So, those discussions are ongoing.”

Chi said the federal government is interested in improving security for the parliamentary precinct, and therefore having jurisdiction over Wellington Street may provide it with options to do so.

“Planning discussions with the federal government about the future of Wellington are just getting underway,” Chi said.

“Besides traffic and implications to transit and other modes, other items to consider include access to underground city services, land valuation, other planned capital works in the vicinity, public consultation, etc.

“At the conclusion of those discussions, city staff will develop recommendations for council’s consideration.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...at-comes-later
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 1:40 PM
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O'Connor lights are back up and blacked out. There was a cluster of trucks gathered around the Metcalfe lights.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2023, 10:49 PM
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Wellington Street expected to reopen to vehicles in late April or early May, city staff say
Preparatory work is happening now, including installation of traffic signals.

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 13, 2023 • Last updated 55 minutes ago • 1 minute read




The City of Ottawa expects to reopen Wellington Street to vehicles by the end of April or early May, ending a closure that has stretched well past a year from its initial gridlocking by convoy protestors.

Director of traffic services Phil Landry said city staff couldn’t give an exact date for the reopening, “as there are factors outside of staff’s control, primarily weather conditions.”

Preparatory work is happening now, including installation of traffic signals. Landry said the city was planning to apply pavement markings next week, if the weather cooperates.

Despite some consternation at the federal government level, city council voted Feb. 8 to bring vehicles back to the Parliament-fronting stretch of Wellington they hadn’t been permitted to travel since the 2022 convoy protest.

The street is city-owned, but it’s entirely possible it won’t stay that way.

After debate on the matter at council’s transportation committee in January, chair Tim Tierney acknowledged a link between the municipal push reopen the street and discussion with the federal government about its future, in addition to the traffic arguments being made in favour of reopening. Possibilities include an ownership transfer and the permanent pedestrianization of Wellington, a key boulevard for tourists and Parliamentarians alike.

The plan as of January was for a working group of federal and city officials to oversee a transportation study of the street assessing traffic implications of a permanent closure to vehicles. City staff were expected to make recommendations to transportation committee and council about the future of Wellington in late 2023 or early 2024.

When the committee voted to return traffic to the street, they also directed staff to create a temporary bike lane, protected by flex posts.

Somerset Ward Coun. Ariel Troster, whose constituency includes Wellington Street, said she’s looked at the design and for an interim measure, “it’s quite comprehensive.”

Troster confirmed that the street won’t reopen to vehicles without that protected bike lane in place.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...city-staff-say
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From CTV today
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/federal-government-urges-city-to-keep-wellington-street-closed-offers-to-buy-it-1.6355912



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Federal government urges city to keep Wellington Street closed, offers to buy it

Michael Woods
CTV News Ottawa Senior Digital Lead

Updated April 14, 2023 2:04 p.m. EDT
Published April 14, 2023 2:00 p.m. EDT


The federal government has offered to buy a section of Wellington Street from the city of Ottawa with the goal of keeping it permanently closed to vehicles, CTV News has learned.

As the city prepares to reopen the road in front of Parliament Hill, the minister who oversees the parliamentary precinct has written to Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe seeking an agreement to keep the street closed while the two governments negotiate a fair transfer.

The April 4 letter from Public Works and Procurement Minister Helena Jaczek obtained by CTV News asks Sutcliffe to explore the possibility of establishing an “interim care and control agreement” that would keep the road closed.

“The objective of this agreement would be to address the immediate security imperative by maintaining the current road closure, while providing the City and the federal government time to establish a fair deal and launch planning activities.”

The stretch of Wellington Street has been closed since the ‘Freedom Convoy’ protest rolled into town in January 2022. Ottawa city council voted earlier this year to reopen it to vehicle traffic. Officials said this week it’s scheduled to open in late April or early May.

But Jaczek’s letter asks Sutcliffe to pump the brakes on that plan, citing security concerns and a parliamentary committee’s finding last year that it should stay closed to cars.

“I have a mandate … to engage with you directly on the transfer of Wellington Street and Sparks Street into federal jurisdiction,” she said. “This of course must be done in a manner that supports efficient City operations and provides the City fair compensation.”

The transfer would be done with “with the view to working together to reimagine this space as Canada’s pre-eminent civic forum for the residents of Ottawa and all Canadians,” she wrote.

Sutcliffe, Jaczek and Minister of Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair have been holding discussions about the street’s future. In December, a parliamentary committee recommended keeping it closed to cars and transferring it to federal jurisdiction.

“As we have discussed, the 2022 illegal protests in Ottawa exposed vulnerabilities associated with Wellington Street serving as a main roadway running through the Parliamentary Precinct. It also highlighted several long-standing security and policing gaps,” Jaczek wrote. “These issues … will only increase as additional parliamentary functions occupy space south of Wellington Street.”

Sutcliffe argued for opening the street, saying it can be improved as a public space while also being used by cars.

"If it's going to be closed to vehicles, as some people are proposing, in the long run, there's a lot we need to consider about what that will be, what that will look like," he told Newstalk 580 CFRA in February. "What I don't want is the status quo, which is barricades at the end of the street and it looking terrible, and I don't want this to drag on."

Jaczek said the two governments can work together to "create a vibrant public space that works for parliamentarians, residents, local businesses and attracts visitors.”

Jaczek also said the federal government would be willing to pay for the short-term beautification of the street in time for this summer’s tourist season.

“While we work on the interim agreement, we would be willing to fund short-term improvements, such as beautification and shade elements, bicycle lanes, seating and a possible bistro in time for the season’s main events, including Canada Day.”

City staff began installing traffic lights on Wellington Street on Wednesday.

Coun. Tim Tierney, the city’s transportation committee chair, said on Thursday that Wellington needs to reopen to accommodate more traffic as more public servants return to office work.

"It is our street. The city of Ottawa owns it. And if the feds want it, they can buy it," he said.
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Looks like the City's gambit may have worked ...
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2023, 8:31 PM
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City rejected minister's request to keep Wellington Street closed
Public Safety Minister Helena Jaczek wrote April 4 to propose 'care and control agreement'

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Posted: Apr 14, 2023 4:15 PM EDT | Last Updated: 5 minutes ago


Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe rejected a federal minister's request earlier this month to keep Wellington Street closed to traffic until the city and the federal government can come to an agreement about the future of the prominent roadway.

In a letter dated April 4, Public Services and Procurement Minister Helena Jaczek wrote to Sutcliffe about establishing a "care and control agreement" for Wellington, which became clogged with trucks during last winter's convoy protest.

"The objective of this agreement would be to address the immediate security imperative by maintaining the current road closures" while providing the city and the federal government "time to establish a fair deal" and consult with various parties including Indigenous communities, residents and businesses about long-term uses, Jaczek wrote.

Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair, who testified last fall during the Emergencies Act inquiry, was copied on the letter.

"As we have discussed, the 2022 illegal protests in Ottawa exposed vulnerabilities associated with Wellington Street serving as a main roadway running through the Parliamentary Precinct. It also highlighted several long-standing security and policing gaps," Jaczek wrote, pointing out these issues were raised both in a 2022 study by the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, and in the Public Order Emergency Commission's final report released in February.

"Addressing the long-standing security challenges in the Parliamentary Precinct by transferring Wellington Street and Sparks Street into federal jurisdiction creates a unique opportunity for us to work together to also reimagine this space as Canada's pre-eminent civic forum for celebration, mourning and peaceful protest," the minister wrote, noting capitals including Berlin, Oslo, The Hague, Budapest, London and Washington have taken similar steps.

In his reply, dated April 6, Sutcliffe pointed out that Ottawa city council voted on Feb. 8 to reopen Wellington between Bank and Elgin streets "as soon as it is operationally feasible" and to replace traffic lights and other infrastructure that was removed during the closure.

City crews were seen installing traffic lights in front of Parliament Hill on Thursday. The city has said the road could be reopened by the end of April.

Council also voted to continue discussions with federal officials regarding "the potential of a redefined Parliamentary Precinct." To that end, city staff continue to work with Jaczek's department and the National Capital Commission (NCC) to finalize a traffic study and are expected to report back in the first quarter of 2024.

Sutcliffe wrote it would be "premature" to enter into an agreement to maintain current road closures before the traffic report was conducted and the the City of Ottawa completes its internal review on "what the implications of transferring this iconic city street to the Federal Government might be."

In the meantime, bi-weekly discussions between Jaczek's assistant deputy minister and the city's general manager of planning should continue "as they identify the multitude of issues that must be fully addressed before recommendations can be made about the future of Wellington Street," Sutcliffe wrote.

The reopening plan approved by city council includes one lane of vehicular traffic in each direction, as well as temporary protected bike lanes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...iffe-1.6811211
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2023, 8:58 PM
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Yes but I'd change that to "is working". We haven't "won" yet. An offer to buy it isn't a commitment to actually do anything with it once they do. If they offer market rate for the land sure we could probably let them do whatever they want but otherwise the eyesore and traffic disruption aren't worth what they want to pay. Imagine how much a grade separated path of that length would cost to build should we want to replicate the road network capacity.
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Sutcliffe better be careful. If he isn’t willing to discuss selling the streets (Wellington and Sparks), the government could turn around and expropriate them. It’s always better to have a seat at the table.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Sutcliffe better be careful. If he isn’t willing to discuss selling the streets (Wellington and Sparks), the government could turn around and expropriate them. It’s always better to have a seat at the table.
Why would that be? If they expropriate it the value is decided by a third party, not some low level bureaucrat making a lowball offer.

Also, if the courts rule a road is a “structure” within the meaning of the act then the Feds also have to pay

i) the cost of any reasonably alternative interest in land or immovable real right for that purpose, and

(ii) the cost, expenses and losses arising out of or incidental to moving to and re-establishment on other premises, but if those costs, expenses and losses cannot practically be estimated or determined, there may instead be allowed a percentage, not exceeding 15, of the cost referred to in subparagraph (i),

This is also why the city has an incentive to reopen the road ASAP.

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To me an expropriation seems unlikely. No federal agency has a budget for it and the process to get a budget will go well past the road reopening.
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How long should it take to re-open an existing road?

On Jan. 26, 2023, the Transportation Committee voted that Wellington Street should be re-opened. At that time, the public also found out that the traffic signals had been removed (for which I think ‘heads should roll’), and had to be re-installed before the road could re-open.

Understandably, the actual work of re-installing the signals was delayed until after a Council vote on the issue. (It seems that it is OK for staff to unilaterally remove signal lights, but it requires Council approval to re-install them.)

Council voted on Feb. 8, 2023, that Wellington Street is to be re-opened, but staff asked for the opening to be delayed until after March 1, so that the road would still be closed for the anniversary of the occupation. Council agreed and stipulated that Wellington Street should be re-opened, but not before March 1, 2023.

Knowing that Council was eager for the road to be re-opened, staff should have started working on a plan to accomplish that aim as soon as the Committee voted for the re-opening, back on Jan. 26. Physical work didn’t have to be carried out until the Council vote, but the planning should have started.

As soon as the Council voted in favour of the opening, staff should have been ready to move. The traffic signals should have been re-installed between the Feb. 8 vote and the first of March. The road should have opened to traffic on March 2.

Apparently, a Federal Minister wrote to Mayor Sutcliffe, in a letter that arrived on Feb. 4, 2023, asking for Council to vote to keep the road closed. The mayor wrote back, in a letter dated Feb. 6, that the Council had already voted, on Feb. 8, to re-open the road. (Note to Mayor Sutcliffe: No mattery when you begin to write the draft of a letter, ALWAYS date it for when you actually send the letter. Otherwise, you risk revealing your clairvoyant ability.)

It has been clear that the road was to be re-opened as soon as possible. It was clear, despite city staff having occasional meetings with Federal staff about possibly transferring the road to the Feds, that the road was to be re-opened.

So why did city staff only get around to re-installing the traffic signals in mid-April? More than 2 months after Council voted to re-open the road.

It is ‘hoped’ that the road can be re-opened by the end of April, or early May.

It is clear, to me, that city staff has been working against ever having Wellington Street re-open to car traffic. The removal of the traffic signals, the delay in re-opening until after the ‘Convoy’ anniversary (which should never have been a concern with proper policing in place), and the delay in re-installing the traffic signals. Again, ‘heads should roll’ for these deliberate actions by staff.
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I think the bicycle lane was part of the deal to get it reopened. That might now have been possible until spring.
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I think the point of the delay to late April/early May was to re-open Wellington in time for tourist season (Tulip Festival) but to defer well beyond any possible anniversary protests.

What is happening now better not defer opening. Also, reconfiguring of Wellington Street should be part of a longer-term plan and we should not be doing helter-skelter temporary changes that will look like h*ll.

I listen to the comments about maintaining closure with some temporary improvements makes my stomach turn. I am also upset with the possibility that the feds want to take over both Sparks and Wellington. They have already given us a dead north side of Sparks Street. Do we really want the feds controlling our downtown infrastructure to this degree? This means security first, usability and community and tourist appeal will be a distant second consideration. The next thing we will see are security checkpoints to enter either street.

I was OK as we gradually restricted public access to Parliament Hill but this is going too far. I can see that restrictions will be imposed on Confederation Square next, and the downtown dead zone will continue to grow. This is not about making downtown more vibrant. This can only occur with cooperation between the private sector and local government. The feds are not responsive to local needs.
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I listen to the comments about maintaining closure with some temporary improvements makes my stomach turn. I am also upset with the possibility that the feds want to take over both Sparks and Wellington. They have already given us a dead north side of Sparks Street. Do we really want the feds controlling our downtown infrastructure to this degree? This means security first, usability and community and tourist appeal will be a distant second consideration. The next thing we will see are security checkpoints to enter either street.
Now that's worthy of a slippery slope award.

It's good to take a step back, we're just talking about an underused street here... It's not that deep.
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The next thing we will see are security checkpoints to enter either street.
You don't need to go through security unless you are entering the actual parliament buildings, to suggest that we will suddenly get security checkpoints several blocks from Parliament when you can currently go to their doorsteps without them, is hyperpole to the extreme.
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Sutcliffe better be careful. If he isn’t willing to discuss selling the streets (Wellington and Sparks), the government could turn around and expropriate them. It’s always better to have a seat at the table.
Does the federal government even have the authority to expropriate a municipal street? The City is under provincial jurisdiction, not federal.
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You don't need to go through security unless you are entering the actual parliament buildings, to suggest that we will suddenly get security checkpoints several blocks from Parliament when you can currently go to their doorsteps without them, is hyperpole to the extreme.
If the objective is security then that would be the only way a closure makes sense. The partially closed Wellington street has no security whatsoever.

Of course we all know the long term closure was not about security.

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