City Murder Rates - Page 151

Northern Light · #**3001** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 2:40 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by lio45

How do we explain that Toronto has ~3x Montreal's rate? Haven't paid attention lately to whatever is the explanation.

(I'm not following Australia much, but if I learned that Melbourne has 3x Sydney's crime rate or vice versa, I'd likely raise an eyebrow.)

While rates vary widely between cities everywhere......

Montreal's major crime rate is actually higher than Toronto's.

But Toronto's homicide rate is higher.

This is from McLean's in 2020:

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most...s-places-2020/

A higher score means more dangerous.

Montreal is 75, Toronto is 66.

Toronto's violent crime rate is also higher.

But on the other hand is a lot less than say Winnipeg.

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Likewise, Chicago is a good deal more violent in terms of homicides per capita than is NYC.

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As to the 'why'.....

I'd only be taking a guess.........but it would probably be this.

1) Montreal was worse than Toronto as the height of the biker gang wars, when bombs were going off, sometimes maiming or killing by-standers.

Police in Quebec cracked down on organized crime in an unprecedented way that probably made both an absolute dent; but also create more of a culture of 'don't draw heat' among serious criminals in Montreal.

2) Fewer firearms; Quebec retained the gun registry; I also suspect its U.S. border crossings and less opportune for smuggling.

3) More generous social state. From daycare to greater access to prescriptions/dental, to lower tuitions.

4) I wonder if French forms more of a barrier to mixing with U.S. criminal groups?

5) Finally, and not a small one; a whole lot more police. In 2019 Montreal had almost 40% more police per capita vs Toronto.

Acajack · #**3002** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 3:12 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by lio45

How do we explain that Toronto has ~3x Montreal's rate? Haven't paid attention lately to whatever is the explanation.

(I'm not following Australia much, but if I learned that Melbourne has 3x Sydney's crime rate or vice versa, I'd likely raise an eyebrow.)

I don't think Montreal's homicide rate is in the range of 3 times less than that of Toronto.

Toronto city proper has almost 1 million more people than Montreal island, so relative to population the rate is probably just over double in Toronto. At least at the moment.

Note that Ottawa has almost exactly half of Montreal island's population, with about the same number of murders.

So Ottawa's murder rate per 100,000 will be double Montreal's as well.

Acajack · #**3003** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 3:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Light

While rates vary widely between cities everywhere......

Montreal's major crime rate is actually higher than Toronto's.

But Toronto's homicide rate is higher.

This is from McLean's in 2020:

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most...s-places-2020/

A higher score means more dangerous.

Montreal is 75, Toronto is 66.

Toronto's violent crime rate is also higher.

But on the other hand is a lot less than say Winnipeg.

*****

Likewise, Chicago is a good deal more violent in terms of homicides per capita than is NYC.

*****

As to the 'why'.....

I'd only be taking a guess.........but it would probably be this.

1) Montreal was worse than Toronto as the height of the biker gang wars, when bombs were going off, sometimes maiming or killing by-standers.

Police in Quebec cracked down on organized crime in an unprecedented way that probably made both an absolute dent; but also create more of a culture of 'don't draw heat' among serious criminals in Montreal.

2) Fewer firearms; Quebec retained the gun registry; I also suspect its U.S. border crossings and less opportune for smuggling.

3) More generous social state. From daycare to greater access to prescriptions/dental, to lower tuitions.

4) I wonder if French forms more of a barrier to mixing with U.S. criminal groups?

5) Finally, and not a small one; a whole lot more police. In 2019 Montreal had almost 40% more police per capita vs Toronto.

It's a controversial practice (it's even controversial to mention it on SSP) but contrary to police in Ontario, police in Montreal have never stopped "carding" and other more proactive approaches to policing.

In Ontario these were banned by the previous Wynne government, and in spite of rumblings from the Ford government, things have not really changed since the Tories took over.

That said, there is a lot of talk and even pressure to eliminate these procedures in Montreal as well, and there have even been steps taken to move the city police (SPVM) in that direction (with the support of mayor Valérie Plante) but so far I don't think things have changed that much.

Plante's political party (we have municipal parties in Quebec) has even floated a proposal to disarm SPVM officers. Not sure how far that will get though.

begratto · #**3004** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 9:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

Plante's political party (we have municipal parties in Quebec) has even floated a proposal to disarm SPVM officers. Not sure how far that will get though.

They discussed about the possibility of disarming some police officers, if it made sense in some situations, as part of a pilot project.

JdM article

Acajack · #**3005** Posted **Aug 3, 2021, 1:13 PM**

Montreal jumped by three murders last evening in a single shooting incident (five people shot in total) in Rivière-des-Prairies, which is the NE part of the island.

KevinFromTexas · #**3006** Posted **Aug 5, 2021, 7:15 PM**

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 50
Stabbing - 6
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 0
Vehicular homicide - 0
Blunt force trauma - 1
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 5
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 5
Central Austin - 2
East Austin - 7
North Austin - 10
Northeast Austin - 6
Northwest Austin - 6
South Austin - 5
Southeast Austin - 6
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 1

Victims
Male - 41
Female - 13
Unlisted - 7

| Jan 7 | Feb 10 | Mar 11 | Apr 7 | May 7 | Jun 9 | Jul 7 | Aug 3 | Sep 0 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 9 | Tue 7 | Wed 9 | Thur 7 | Fri 5 | Sat 9 | Sun 14 |

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Murder cases

Code:

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-charged-with-capital-murder-after-man-was-found-dead-in-round-rock/?utm_campaign=alert_bar&utm_source=side_bullets - Round Rock shooting - 1/9

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-northeast-austin - Austin shooting - 1/11

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5000-brighton-road - Austin shooting - 1/18

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/22/hays-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-apparent-shooting/6681601002/ - Buda shooting - 1/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-killed-after-shootout-between-two-groups-at-north-austin-complex-police-say/ - Austin shooting - 1/23

2 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1912-w-35th-street - Austin shooting - 1/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-north-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2QlQlGL89M9QlIMXNDSAU9spvMEhu31Cpqo8Jsl-tQaPXWOlrPLuNNY4o - Austin shooting - 1/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-east-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 2/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-southeast-austin-3/ - Austin obvious trauma - 2/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-being-investigated-in-central-austin/ - Austin shooting - 2/6

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/elderly-couple-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-at-cedar-park-home/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2d0OJqQ9Lwib8K-06sGBipshijYzvjNIcP2vCkMkef1W-GjrUamnIZ9ws - Cedar Park murder/suicide - 2/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/19-year-old-man-stabbed-and-killed-northeast-austin-fight-police-say/ - Austin stabbing - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-faces-murder-charge-after-wife-found-dead-at-south-austin-hotel-room/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/toddler-dies-during-february-winter-storm-austin-police-investigating-as-homicide/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/18

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/travis-county-deputies-investigate-possible-murder-suicide-involving-two-male-relatives/ - Pflugervile shooting - 2/19

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2021/06/25/hutto-teacher-julie-hall-disappearance-husband-travis-hall-charged-with-murder/5352450001/ - Hutto blunt force trauma - 2/19 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/one-man-dead-after-shooting-at-north-austin-apartment-complex/ - Austin shooting - 2/28

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-downtown-austin-early-sunday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 3/14

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-murder-charge-after-san-marcos-woman-found-dead-on-backyard-patio/ - San Marcos body found - 3/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homicide-investigation-underway-after-death-thursday-morning-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-person-dies-in-southeast-austin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 3/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-reporting-to-scene-of-shooting-incident-in-northwest-austin-residents-should-avoid-the-area/ - Austin shooting - 3/22

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-neighborhood/ - Austin shooting - 3/25

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6600-block-bradley-dr - Austin shooting - 3/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-taken-to-a-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-shooting-at-east-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 3/28

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11100-block-n-ih-35-svrd - Austin shooting - 3/28 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-nw-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/leander-texas-police-knife-suspect/269-2018951c-a1c4-4d00-b9b4-c543b4ff4e3a - Leander stabbing - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-se-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/6

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-investigating-homicide-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/13

3 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/active-shooter-reported-at-arboretum-in-northwest-austin-3-reportedly-injured/ - Austin shooting  - 4/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/poli...stin-homicide/ - Austin shooting - 4/25

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...in-apartments/ - Austin shooting - 4/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...dziJCzKgAY6OeM - Austin shooting - 5/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/16-y...n-bell-county/ - Austin shooting - 5/5

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...a-a8fd7e9920c3 - Lockhart shooting - 5/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...g-for-suspect/ - Austin shooting - 5/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/15-y...wntown-austin/ - Austin shooting - 5/20

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...us-highway-290 - Austin shooting - 5/23

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ty/5286265001/ - Pflugerville stabbing - 5/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/top-stories/tcs...-south-austin/ - Pflugerville shooting - 6/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...theast-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/11

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...mass-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...n-parking-lot/ - Austin shooting - 6/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/1-de...stin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...y-expo-center/ - Austin shooting - 6/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ied-by-police/ - Austin stabbing - 6/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-de...in-cedar-park/ - Cedar Park shooting - 7/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/man-dead-t...thwest-austin/ - Austin shooting - 7/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-pe...ar-6th-street/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homi...tion-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ceda...tment-complex/ - Cedar Park stabbing - 7/20

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...-frontage-road - Austin stabbing - 7/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/will...ning-homicide/ - Round Rock shooting - 7/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/pers...unday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 8/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...austin-murder/ - Austin shooting - 8/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/33-y...tin-apartment/ - Austin shooting - 8/11

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Pending cases

Code:

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-investigating-deceased-person-in-hotel-room-in-north-central-austin - 2/14 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/18-year-old-found-dead-on-recycling-center-conveyor-belt-in-travis-county/ - 3/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/28-year-old-dies-morning-after-fight-at-east-austin-strip-club-suspect-arrested/ - Austin beating - 4/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/adult-pronounced-dead-after-being-found-in-ravine-by-bystanders-off-us-290/ - Austin body found - 5/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/man-dies-after-reportedly-being-run-over-by-car-in-north-austin-parking-lot/ - Austin vehicular homicide - 6/25

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-in-northwest-austin-under-investigation/ - Austin body found - 8/11

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Previous years

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Previous years per month

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Austin area population

City: 961,855 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,290,188 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,283,371 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

Lobotomizer · #**3007** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 9:45 PM**

Statesman article says Austin now at 50 homicides.

Quote:

Fifty people have been killed in Austin so far this year, the largest number of homicides the city has seen in three decades.

Two homicides were reported on Friday, adding to the already historically high number of such deaths seen so far this year. Both of the latest killings were shootings that occurred this month.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...es/5513339001/

tablemtn · #**3008** Posted **Aug 7, 2021, 8:13 PM**

Portland is up to 54 homicide cases after a shooting:

https://flashalert.net/id/portlandpolice/147452

KevinFromTexas · #**3009** Posted **Aug 8, 2021, 2:29 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lobotomizer

Statesman article says Austin now at 50 homicides.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...es/5513339001/

I saw that. Homicides is counting both murders and justified/self defense killings. I think they also count police involved shootings if I'm not mistaken.

tablemtn · #**3010** Posted **Aug 9, 2021, 3:00 AM**

And Portland adds yet another murder after a shooting on a crowded city bus in the afternoon, with no arrests reported yet:

https://flashalert.net/id/portlandpolice/147470

That makes 55 cases thus far.

Edit: 56 cases, since a case from earlier in the year was classified as a homicide. These are homicides, not 'murders.' The number of these homicide cases determined to be murders is around 50 so far.

Shooting on Trimet bus in SE Portland leaves 1 dead, marking city’s deadliest year since 1994

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This year’s tally, which includes two fatal shootings by police, puts the city on track to shatter its previous record of 70 homicides in 1987.

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**3011** Posted **Aug 9, 2021, 3:50 AM**

Chicago is just on another level this year. I believe 105 murders in July and 28 already in August

Acajack · #**3012** Posted **Aug 9, 2021, 1:15 PM**

Montreal is now at 17.

Toronto is now at 46.

tablemtn · #**3013** Posted **Aug 10, 2021, 8:34 PM**

58 for Portland after a mass-shooting in the suburban east side of the city:

Two people killed, three others hurt in NE Portland shooting

KevinFromTexas · #**3014** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 6:20 PM**

5 people shot in San Antonio early Sunday with three dead.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...iYHzKCVbXJjMbU

I'm not sure what their July totals are since I haven't been following their murders for a few years now, and they also haven't updated for July and August on SAPD's crime report page, but up to June so far, they've had 74 murders. Over the last 10 years, San Antonio has seen between 72 and 149 murders annually.

https://www.sanantonio.gov/sapd/unif...#30264278-2021

Flyers2001 · #**3015** Posted **Aug 16, 2021, 9:47 PM**

As of 8/15:

Philadelphia: 337 Up 26% from this time last year.

ilcapo · #**3016** Posted **Aug 17, 2021, 7:54 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcapo

17/7 2021

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 61 (24 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 26 (15 deadly shootings)

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 11 (7 deadly shootings)

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 7 (3 deadly shootings)

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 2 (1 deadly shooting)

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London, UK (pop 9 mil)
Estimated total: 69 (5 deadly shootings, 47 stabbings)

17/8 2021

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 68 (30 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 28 (17 deadly shootings)

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 13 (9 deadly shootings)

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 7 (3 deadly shootings)

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 2 (1 deadly shooting)

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London, UK (pop 9 mil)
Estimated total: 79 (5 deadly shootings, 54 stabbings)

tablemtn · #**3017** Posted **Aug 17, 2021, 9:20 PM**

Portland has 59 cases after a shooting at a homeless encampment near the Interstate 5 freeway:

Person dies after shooting in N. Portland

Ifactwo · #**3018** Posted **Aug 18, 2021, 5:45 AM**

Nowadays, its not safe to be outside specially late at night. Shooting is rampant. So what place is safe now?

robk1982 · #**3019** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 12:18 AM**

Flint was at 41 on 8/15/2021 according to the city, up from 28 at this time last year: https://www.cityofflint.com/wp-conte...ND_2021B-1.pdf

However, there have been 8 murders in the last 10 days, so that number might be higher.

Darkoshvilli · #**3020** Posted **Aug 19, 2021, 12:51 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

Montreal is now at 17.

Toronto is now at 46.

3 of those 17 were one incident with 5 shot/3 dead. Someone emptied their magazine into a living room window. Some Chicago shit.