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[Winnipeg Grump]

Foundation wall work continues...

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

Some good info on the old streetcar network here:
http://www.tundria.com/trams/CAN/Winnipeg-1941.shtml

and here:
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...486060981.html

215 kms of streetcar at it's peak!!



All ripped up after lobbying from the car companies and oil and gas industry.

I weep when I see things like this...

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

I weep when I see things like this...

How different is it than having buses doing the exact same routes?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Andy6

How different is it than having buses doing the exact same routes?

It's rail.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

It's rail.

and electric, so clean as it gets for transit.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

and electric, so clean as it gets for transit.

So long as the source of power is clean too, but yes, that too.

[Wpg_Guy]

Live cams

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

So long as the source of power is clean too, but yes, that too.

Well, according to the NEB, MB produces less than 1% of its power from non-renewables.

https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd...ls/mb-eng.html

GHG emissions from electricity generation are under 0.1 megatonnes (MT) out of 20.9 MT for the entire province (all figures 2016).

Compare that to our friends next to us in SK, where they produce only 16% of their power from renewables, accounting for 15 MT of GHG out of a provincial total of 76.3 MT.

And you wonder why they're pissed at any talk of reducing carbon emissions...

[Winnipeg Grump]

OK, back to TNS news.

Updates on timings and features incoming.

First tenants for TNS 2 are moving in next week, July 1. And yes, that means that PCL will be wrapped up by then!

Food court is looking like mid-September.

MNP is moving into TNS 1 - floors 9 to 12 (!) in October.

There's an LC going into the 2nd floor of TNS 2, accessible via the walkway. Also, a Nail Bar is going in that same walkway.

The screen facing the plaza is set to be up and running for the new season.

Apparently there's a bike rental outfit setting up in the courtyard, too.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

OK, back to TNS news.

Updates on timings and features incoming.

First tenants for TNS 2 are moving in next week, July 1. And yes, that means that PCL will be wrapped up by then!

Food court is looking like mid-September.

MNP is moving into TNS 1 - floors 9 to 12 (!) in October.

There's an LC going into the 2nd floor of TNS 2, accessible via the walkway. Also, a Nail Bar is going in that same walkway.

The screen facing the plaza is set to be up and running for the new season.

Apparently there's a bike rental outfit setting up in the courtyard, too.

So, that leaves floors 5 - 8 without announced tenants.

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by Andy6

How different is it than having buses doing the exact same routes?

I've always wondered this as well. Buses are more flexible, while streetcars are on a fixed, but non dedicated line. I've used the streetcars in Toronto, and when Queen Street is backed up with traffic, you can have a line of 10 streetcars in a row stuck in rush hour gridlock.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Bdog

I've always wondered this as well. Buses are more flexible, while streetcars are on a fixed, but non dedicated line. I've used the streetcars in Toronto, and when Queen Street is backed up with traffic, you can have a line of 10 streetcars in a row stuck in rush hour gridlock.

That part is a pain but if you were to give the street cars a corridor between taller curbs that was closed to traffic it would be fine. It would sort of be like some on road LRT/tram thing. Not quite either

Edit: To save space just a quick observation, I'd say that the envelope of the building looks pretty complete to me, won't be long before the sidewalk is opened. Hopefully the building will open for tenancy sooner than later. Can't wait until Sutton gets into full swing

[buzzg]

Streetcars can operate with less space, so we could hypothetically put them back in on lots of streets that used to have them (where boulevards are now) without losing lanes.

The biggest difference to me though is ride quality. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to get whiplash from being on the bus, especially if you have to stand. Rail is so much smoother and more people would definitely use it.

[Wpg_Guy]

Exterior work on 225 Carlton looks all done, with residences moving in July 1 st phase 1 of True North Square is complete!

[cheswick]

Any word on when the food court is opening?

[Wolf13]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

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All ripped up after lobbying from the car companies and oil and gas industry.

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

and electric, so clean as it gets for transit.

Stop it with the rhetoric. It says right there in the article that cars were seem as the future and that few protested what they saw as traffic evolution.

Oil and gas isn't a bogeyman.

However, I view it as tragic that the streetcar network is no more.

Originally Posted by Bdog

I've always wondered this as well. Buses are more flexible, while streetcars are on a fixed, but non dedicated line. I've used the streetcars in Toronto, and when Queen Street is backed up with traffic, you can have a line of 10 streetcars in a row stuck in rush hour gridlock.

Their fixation is part of it. Having a fixed destination helps solidify the value of that location, driving property value and commercial interest.

Theoretically, business should thrive around bus stations but there are just so many that the location value is diluted.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Any word on when the food court is opening?

See here

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

OK, back to TNS news.

Updates on timings and features incoming.

First tenants for TNS 2 are moving in next week, July 1. And yes, that means that PCL will be wrapped up by then!

Food court is looking like mid-September.

MNP is moving into TNS 1 - floors 9 to 12 (!) in October.

There's an LC going into the 2nd floor of TNS 2, accessible via the walkway. Also, a Nail Bar is going in that same walkway.

The screen facing the plaza is set to be up and running for the new season.

Apparently there's a bike rental outfit setting up in the courtyard, too.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Wolf13

Their fixation is part of it. Having a fixed destination helps solidify the value of that location, driving property value and commercial interest.

Theoretically, business should thrive around bus stations but there are just so many that the location value is diluted.

Totally. Hence why TOD around RT stations is so valuable/important/possible. In theory there's lots of people and busses (or eventually trains) stopping there.

It's why I think the area around Harkness Station is actually ripe for a ton of high-rise TOD residential. Would be fantastic for students and staff at U of M. Super close to downtown, and you can get to U of M easily and quickly while avoiding all the on-street chaos of the downtown portions of RT routes.

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by Wolf13

Their fixation is part of it. Having a fixed destination helps solidify the value of that location, driving property value and commercial interest.

Theoretically, business should thrive around bus stations but there are just so many that the location value is diluted.

I get what you mean in terms of fixation for something like LRT or Subway stations, but Winnipeg's streetcar stops were just about as plentiful as bus stops are today along those key artery routes.

[esquire]

Has a Starbucks location for TNS been confirmed yet? Or some other type of coffee shop?