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[borkborkbork]

It's interesting that everyone seems to think the Marlborough is somehow SRO type housing for the down and out. It's mostly flood evacuees and folks from remote FNs in the city for medical treatment, as I understand it.

If the Marlborough is gone, they won't be out on the street, contracts for long-term stays will just be made with other hotels.

[BAKGUY]

Originally Posted by Wigglez

Honest question

I'm a bit confused right now by the narrative that Winnipeg is displacing poor people. This isn't a homeless shelter, a low-income complex, or any other form of socially assisted permanent housing is it? Last I had heard the hotel was filled with people from Manitoba reserves impacted by flooding? Has that changed in recent years? Is (or I guess was) this still a privately owned hotel?

A Private hotel, normal hotel..renting rooms like any place..here is a chance to improve the area, help with much needed downtown hotel space for the expanded convention centre.If it goe condo, might be a mixed use or if not, free up space for another hotel rumoured for downtown a couple years from now.

[BAKGUY]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

It's the new thing with a few on here that hate anyone with a little money. They expect everything to be low rental or free housing. And some of the remarks on the other thread were borderline racist towards white folks.

But how many remember the stabbings at the Marly ? Or the crazy that was throwing tvs out the Marlys windows to the sidewalk below. That's the type the above folks want to retain as you know. Those types obviously want to better themselves......

So, they want The Marlborough, The Bay & Portage Place all as homeless shelters. That ought to do wonders for the tax base downtown, not to mention office workers, new residents there in new or renovated complexes & tourism.Homeless and low rentals need to exist for sure but not on the city main high streets.

[DavefromSt.Vital]

Last day to check in at the Marlborough is September 30. Last day to check out is October 1.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

I have been informed that The Marlborough Hotel has been sold off & staff have been given 2.5 months notice. Closing in September. It had also been suggested it will become condos but not sure? Anyone else? Even though they only use 148 rooms in the newer addition from the late 50's, with the original building it once boosted 428. Glad it is being rescued but it would be nice if a few floors could be a boutique hotel. That would be a great lift for the area with Canad Inn suggesting a $150 Million remake of Somerset & Radisson nearby The current owner permitted a downward spiral of the hotel & especially bar patrons. This stunning edifice has so much potential for restoration. Also, we are still awaiting the so called big announcement promised from the former Charterhouse/Best Western Plus Downtown.

wow.

ive been in the back corners of the hotel back in the early 2000's in the days of beer and skits o the press club...... an it was in rough shape back then

[BAKGUY]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

wow.

ive been in the back corners of the hotel back in the early 2000's in the days of beer and skits o the press club...... an it was in rough shape back then

Some areas still look good but, Churchill Room, Joanna's cafe, banquet rooms...107 year old buildings need love and this one got the bare minimum.
The older section for sure needs major upgrades. Still we are luck it is still around. There is some beautiful detail in many areas of the original hotel.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

Some areas still look good but, Churchill Room, Joanna's cafe, banquet rooms...107 year old buildings need love and this one ot the bare minimum.
The older section for sure needs major upgrades. Still we are luck it is still around. There is some beautiful detail in many ears of the original hotel.

indeed indeed.

but when u get into the bones, back rooms it sure was rough in the early 2000's

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

indeed indeed.

but when u get into the bones, back rooms it sure was rough in the early 2000's

I remember around the early 2000s, a little after Crystal Casino closed, seeing the Fort Garry ballrooms and thinking how nice they were. Then seeing them again a couple years back and thinking how badly they need to be updated now.

Most places that have been around as long as the Fort Garry or Malborough basically need constant upkeep, even of the backrooms. The size of the place and the scale of the work needed often means if you don't shut down and do a top to bottom overhaul that by the time your piece meal work hits the last corner the first ones you touched need to be revisited.

From the stories that are out there the Malborough was doing the bare minimum to keep the public facing pieces presentable.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

Should just let it for a d be torn down and maybe set up a tent camp right ? You really don't like anything that improves a city.

Just so you know, that hotel used to be an upscale hotel, so really it's going back to the way it was before the drug addicts and alcoholics and prostitution took over the place. Because those types of people always make a place more desirable.

And FYI. More construction means more jobs. That also relates to more tax dollars to help homeless etc. And even jobs for the one's that would like to work.

Look at the BIG picture.

Ah, the ol' "they are a bunch of drug dealers and prostitutes that just don't feel like working" narrative. Aren't you also the guy who said people were being borderline racist towards white people?

I think you could have a bright future working in the Pallister government

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

Ah, the ol' "they are a bunch of drug dealers and prostitutes that just don't feel like working" narrative. Aren't you also the guy who said people were being borderline racist towards white people?

I think you could have a bright future working in the Pallister government

Jesus no kidding. Imagine claiming "racism" against white people and then turning around and calling the pretty much unanimously indigenous tenants at that hotel drug dealers and prostitutes. Really letting the true colours fly. Just like with Pallister and his buddies we're seeing that racists have a hard time reading the room and keeping their fucked up little opinions to themselves.

[T'Cona]

The Marlborough is a dump inside, and the potential for this building is so great.

If only the Marlborough could become something akin to: https://royalconnaught.com/

[Wigglez]

Originally Posted by BAKGUY

A Private hotel, normal hotel..renting rooms like any place..here is a chance to improve the area, help with much needed downtown hotel space for the expanded convention centre.If it goe condo, might be a mixed use or if not, free up space for another hotel rumoured for downtown a couple years from now.

Thank you!

[LilZebra]

I've had a recurring dream that I've experienced twice recently.
It's about the Centennial Centre at the University of Winnipeg. It gets expanded to seven storeys.

The fifrh storey is an expanded learning area for classrooms.

The sixth storey is the swimming pool and the seventh storey is seating for spectators.

In my dream I am walking to an orange door on 7th floor. As I open this door there is a kedgw of about 3 ft. If I were to step forward two step off this ledge I would fall not into the pool but onto the concrete beside it. So in the dream I quickly close the door and then my dream ends.

In the second dream it's the same place, the Centennial Centre which has expanded to have a swimming pool on the 6th floor.

There is another entrance on the 7th floor, but this time it has a water slide that leads to the swimming pool on the 6th floor

Anything on the drawing boards like this?

[peg]

A while ago I had a dream where True North Square had a massive waterpark and the 'square' had a glass top. It was wild... like Adventure City meets Fun Mountain.

I think it's cause I walked by it on my commute daily when it was being built.

[LilZebra]

I'd think that if such a proect werec to go ahead, that there would be some sort of railing on that maintenance door and ledge.

Wouldn't wanna get someone hurt.

So maybe it's a warning dream of some sort, or maybe a metaphore for something else in my life.

But what?

[Ando]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

I've had a recurring dream that I've experienced twice recently.
It's about the Centennial Centre at the University of Winnipeg. It gets expanded to seven storeys.

The fifrh storey is an expanded learning area for classrooms.

The sixth storey is the swimming pool and the seventh storey is seating for spectators.

In my dream I am walking to an orange door on 7th floor. As I open this door there is a kedgw of about 3 ft. If I were to step forward two step off this ledge I would fall not into the pool but onto the concrete beside it. So in the dream I quickly close the door and then my dream ends.

In the second dream it's the same place, the Centennial Centre which has expanded to have a swimming pool on the 6th floor.

There is another entrance on the 7th floor, but this time it has a water slide that leads to the swimming pool on the 6th floor

Anything on the drawing boards like this?

No, but I think you need to get a pool membership.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

Ah, the ol' "they are a bunch of drug dealers and prostitutes that just don't feel like working" narrative. Aren't you also the guy who said people were being borderline racist towards white people?

I think you could have a bright future working in the Pallister government

Sorry I cannot stand Pallister. And sorry calling anyone a drug dealer or prostitute is not racist. Since I never even mentioned aboriginal once. Second I myself am Metis. So piss off. Third the clientele isn't just aboriginal, there are those so called collonial invaders as mentioned in the waterfront drive discussion. That's what I was referring to.
And sorry to say, there is alot of drug deal going on in that hotel. I don't care if you are brown or pink or white or a mix. A drug dealer is a drug dealer.

You should devote some of your internet time to a soup kitchen and you will see just how varied the homelessness is. It's not just aboriginal, so please stop using that card. Ffs you could have just taken a walk under old St vital on St Mary's this winter and seen the homeless encampment. Most were White. Or taken a walk along the Red River by the railway tracks and most were White people.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by Highwayman

Sorry I cannot stand Pallister. And sorry calling anyone a drug dealer or prostitute is not racist. Since I never even mentioned aboriginal once. Second I myself am Metis. So piss off. Third the clientele isn't just aboriginal, there are those so called collonial invaders as mentioned in the waterfront drive discussion. That's what I was referring to.
And sorry to say, there is alot of drug deal going on in that hotel. I don't care if you are brown or pink or white or a mix. A drug dealer is a drug dealer.

You should devote some of your internet time to a soup kitchen and you will see just how varied the homelessness is. It's not just aboriginal, so please stop using that card. Ffs you could have just taken a walk under old St vital on St Mary's this winter and seen the homeless encampment. Most were White. Or taken a walk along the Red River by the railway tracks and most were White people.

Hey man, I don't know where you got this idea from. I was mocking you for saying there was racism against white people because I just think its a ridiculous concept. I was also ribbing you over your assertion that homeless people are just lazy and don't want to work because I think that is a troubling opinion that shows a lack of understanding of addictions and trauma.

I didn't mean that you were being racist towards people experiencing homelessness. sorry for the confusion. FYI in two recent homeless point in time counts, about 70% of individuals were of Indigenous descent. So, in fact it is safe to say they are quite over represented. And yes, many many people experiencing homelessness have addictions and participate in various informal economic practices such as sex work, you aren't wrong about that.

Bottom line is, when people express ignorance about homeless people we can see that it leads to more resistance to evidence-based initiatives to help them such as Housing First or other supportive or supported housing models. When folks such as you denigrate individuals experiencing homelessness by suggesting they are somehow flawed in character rather than the products of systemic discrimination and or bad luck, it sets us in the homeless serving sector back because we need public support for the investment of money to help them. It may be easy for you to see "drug dealers and prostitutes" that would rather not work, but do a little soul searching and perhaps educate yourself about the issue.

[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

Hey man, I don't know where you got this idea from. I was mocking you for saying there was racism against white people because I just think its a ridiculous concept. I was also ribbing you over your assertion that homeless people are just lazy and don't want to work because I think that is a troubling opinion that shows a lack of understanding of addictions and trauma.

I didn't mean that you were being racist towards people experiencing homelessness. sorry for the confusion. FYI in two recent homeless point in time counts, about 70% of individuals were of Indigenous descent. So, in fact it is safe to say they are quite over represented. And yes, many many people experiencing homelessness have addictions and participate in various informal economic practices such as sex work, you aren't wrong about that.

Bottom line is, when people express ignorance about homeless people we can see that it leads to more resistance to evidence-based initiatives to help them such as Housing First or other supportive or supported housing models. When folks such as you denigrate individuals experiencing homelessness by suggesting they are somehow flawed in character rather than the products of systemic discrimination and or bad luck, it sets us in the homeless serving sector back because we need public support for the investment of money to help them. It may be easy for you to see "drug dealers and prostitutes" that would rather not work, but do a little soul searching and perhaps educate yourself about the issue.

Ok. Where did I say anything about running down homeless People? Seriously. ... The people that the Marly gets these days are not homeless. And last time I checked I did not see a homeless encampment outside it.

The fact I know of the homeless encampments that most didn't even know existed under St Mary's or along those tracks. Shows that I obviously have been there. I don't walk to the opposite side of the street when I see a homeless person. I don't avoid them either. If they want to talk I'll sit there and chat it up with them. One of the reasons I learned so much this past winter about the new homeless people which had jobs and homes before this covid crap. I met a young couple on one of my hikes on the river and they were well dressed still. It living in a tent. They were polite and obviously embarrassed but they told me their story which was very sad to say the least. Even the folks at the lights asking for money. If I ha e it I'll give it. I know most likely it will go to booze but hey, if I were in their shoes I'd be drinking aswell.

I actually had highschool friend's that ended up doing prostitution. Luckily most got out of it.

I also know the drug rings very well. But that's as far as I'll go with that.

My point is that Hotel needs to refit, it's not social housing. It never was. Speaking of which, what about the building next to it which the Federal government have to the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs? Are they actually using all those 14 or so floors ? If not why are they not making it into housing for the low income, they can help tbeir people which would probably work alot better then the Fed's doing it. And I say that in a kind way.

[buzzg]

That building is so perplexing... like why not try and lease out the main floor and make some money from it? Makes no sense.