Some Paris additions - Proposed status

[M II A II R II K]

We don't have this one, and it'll soon start construction. Not sure about it's roiof height though.

PARIS | Tour Generali | 1,041 FT / 318 M | 56 FLOORS



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PARIS | New Tour Gan | 902 FT / 275 M | ? FLOORS



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PARIS | Tour Phare | 984 FT / 300 M | ? FLOORS

[M.K.]

Mark,

All those are already done! Here the links:

1- http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=56431
3- http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=57211

Only the second one is not already made. The problem is they are located in suburbs Paris with other names.

[M II A II R II K]

Yes I looked under Paris, maybe that's why I couldn't find them.

Maybe Tour Generali has to be redrawn with the green in it now.

Oh yes and there's another one, that square thing if it's not already drawn.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MKmillenium

Mark,

All those are already done! Here the links:


The problem is they are located in suburbs Paris with other names.

And maybe the problem is precisely that they do not appear in the Paris diagram. Why are diagrams based on administrative city limits and not based on urban areas? Lost of people are confused when it comes to cities like Paris where the urban area is fragmented into many municipalities. It would make more sense if the Paris diagram contained all the Paris skyscrapers, including those in La Défense. At the very least there should be a big warning on top of the diagram to let people know that it shows only buildings within the administrative City of Paris, with a link to skyscrapers in La Défense. That has been suggested by the French forumers for many years already, but I see nothing has changed.

[New Brisavoine]

This is what the Paris diagram should look like:

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And this is what you currently get if you type Paris. It's frankly misleading.

[M II A II R II K]

I just found out that they're currently working on exactly that, since others have had that problem too, particularly with Paris.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by M II A II R II K

I just found out that they're currently working on exactly that, since others have had that problem too, particularly with Paris.

Really? Where did you find that out? What are they planning to do exactly?

This problem concerns essentially Paris and Manila. I don't think there are other cities where the diagrams are so absurd as with Paris and Manila.

[M II A II R II K]

I brought it to the attention of the top diagram staff and they told me that.

But I don't know any details of what they're going to do or when they're going to do it.

[M.K.]

For some reason when those bldgs were requested, the 'city' is asked different as only Paris. It is why today they do not seem to be in Paris. It is really difficult to merge cities now in database and sinceresly only Dylan can change the code to do that, changing some buildings to other City. This could lose some diagrams which be a pity. For me seems strange as well, while I consider La Defense a Neighborhood in Paris, not another admnistrative city. In Megalopodes cities like Paris, Sao Paulo and Mexico without geografical differences, this is hard to understand, but I do not made those requests. It could be a note of beeing in other administrative region in description for example.
There is an internal Editor Thread about those problems now, changing cities problems, but we should need to know which bldg pages should be change. If you give me exactly the bldg pages, I can request the changes. And then I make a note in description about administrative place.

I made a tricky search in database that now when people search for ' Paris ' only ,also the administrative cities in urban suburbs area come together. Maybe the problem is almost solved and we do not lose any drawing.

See

Paris
Paris-Courbevoie
Paris-Nanterre
Paris-Puteaux

If you want another one to be joined please let me know.

[M II A II R II K]

I already started a thread elsewhere about this. They will address it somehow.

[M.K.]

Mark, see my thread above. I found a solution for that. Now seems Paris right.

[Minato Ku]

Tour Generalli, roof height : 269m
Tour Phare, roof height : Unknow, floors : unknow
New Tour Gan, roof heigh : 236m, floors : 49

I agree with Brisavoine, we have the same problem with Emporis that La Defense is not include with paris and people believe that La Defense skyscrapers are only 100m tall.


There is also some errors in the actually diagram of la Defense.

The actually Tour Gan height is 179m
Tour Air² is 235m high, the 220m is the height from the elevated slab, not the real slab.



267,58m NGF = 235m

[M.K.]

For that errors in diagrams about heights, please ask the appropriate threads corrections in requests, then I change and correct them. If nobody asks that We can never know what should be corrected. I mean you should give us the sources and so on. Also the New Tour Gan is not already requested for illustrators to diagram it. Please ask a request for this also.

But Paris Diagram is min. 99% correct now.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MKmillenium

I made a tricky search in database that now when people search for ' Paris ' only ,also the administrative cities in urban suburbs area come together. Maybe the problem is almost solved and we do not lose any drawing.

See

Paris
Paris-Courbevoie
Paris-Nanterre
Paris-Puteaux

If you want another one to be joined please let me know.

Originally Posted by MKmillenium

Mark, see my thread above. I found a solution for that. Now seems Paris right.

Great job!

I see you've also added Levallois-Perret and Saint-Denis. Another one you should add is Aubervilliers. In the future it is possible highrise buildings are going to be built in other municipalities of the Paris urban area (such as Issy-les-Moulineaux and Saint-Ouen), so the best would be if you could "join", as you call it, all the Paris urban area municipalities. A simple way to do this, I don't know if it's technically possible or not, would be to join Ile-de-France. Ile-de-France is the "state" (city: Paris; state: Ile-de-France; country: France). Basically any highrise building that is inside Ile-de-France is inside the Paris urban area. So I don't know if it's technically possible, but in order to spare the effort of adding new municipalities in the future, the best would be to "join" the entire Ile-de-France. That way when someone types "Paris" they would get the Ile-de-France diagram. See what I mean? (go into any diagram, then enter "Ile-de-France" in the State box, and you'll see what I mean)

Let me know how it works out.

[M.K.]

Actually I can do that easily, but seems too much, 60. Let's first add the main ones, the 2 more you mentioned. If you want some more in future just PM me. I will concern a bit what I can do really, if I see necessary.

[New Brisavoine]

Ok. You can already add these. These are municipalities in the Paris urban area that may build highrise buildings in the coming years (there are hints from the local councils, sometimes even renders). Minato Ku, if you can think of anyone I have forgotten, please let us know.

Neuilly-sur-Seine
Clichy (sometimes also called Clichy-la-Garenne)
Saint-Ouen
Aubervilliers
Bagnolet
Montreuil (sometimes also called Montreuil-sous-Bois)
Charenton-le-Pont
Joinville-le-Pont
Ivry-sur-Seine
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Asnières-sur-Seine
Gennevilliers

Have I forgotten anyone?

[M II A II R II K]

Then I guess the only thing to request here is New Tour Gan

[New Brisavoine]

No, there are more towers than just New Gan which are missing.

Are still missing:
- Mozart Tower (in Issy-les-Moulineaux)
- D2 Tower (in La Défense)
- Carpe Diem Tower (in La Défense)
- Signal Tower (in La Défense; probably best to wait until the end of this month when they select the winning project among the 5 candidates)

I'll ask Metropolitan if he can draw these.

PS: MKmillenium, I forgot Boulogne-Billancourt in the list above. You should also add it. Skyscraperpage currently has three drawings of highrise buildings in Boulogne-Billancourt.

[M.K.]

Ok, I add those you said me, but please give me population and the sources for those areas, for the ones in red below. The also called I put as original name.

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Ok. You can already add these.

Neuilly-sur-Seine
Clichy (sometimes also called Clichy-la-Garenne)
Saint-Ouen
Aubervilliers
Bagnolet
Montreuil (sometimes also called Montreuil-sous-Bois)
Charenton-le-Pont
Joinville-le-Pont
Ivry-sur-Seine
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Asnières-sur-Seine
Gennevilliers

Have I forgotten anyone?

If you want some population another admin district also updated, let me know now, with sources of course. Thanks.

[Minato Ku]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Ok. You can already add these. These are municipalities in the Paris urban area that may build highrise buildings in the coming years (there are hints from the local councils, sometimes even renders). Minato Ku, if you can think of anyone I have forgotten, please let us know.

Neuilly-sur-Seine
Clichy (sometimes also called Clichy-la-Garenne)
Saint-Ouen
Aubervilliers
Bagnolet
Montreuil (sometimes also called Montreuil-sous-Bois)
Charenton-le-Pont
Joinville-le-Pont
Ivry-sur-Seine
Issy-les-Moulineaux
Asnières-sur-Seine
Gennevilliers

Have I forgotten anyone?

You have forgotten Saint Denis, one of most important municipality, it has high-rises and high-rises planned.
I also see that Courbevoie, Puteau and Nanterre miss in your list maybe because La Defense is in these municpalities and you don't need to add it.


Neuilly sur Seine : 61,100

Saint Ouen : 43,700

Charenton le Pont : 28,700

Joinville-le-Pont : 17,117

Ivry-sur-Seine : 55,900

Asnières-sur-Seine : 82,800

Gennevilliers : 42,600

Exepted Genevilliers every municpality has an higher density than 20,000 inhabitants/sq miles.
The most of Genevilliers land are industrial whoresales due at a river port. Genevillier is the biggest port of Paris.
This is why the density of Genevillier is low, if you exclude the port, the density of Genevilliers is over 20,000 inh/ sq mile