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Gale Brewer's weekly update lists 260 Madison among projects her office is working on for ULURP approvals. The site is just outside of the midtown east rezoning, but that just means it will undergo ULURP.

https://www.manhattanbp.nyc.gov/weekly-update-9-16/










Curbed just happened to have asked this question, which has nothing to do with the proposal....




https://www.curbed.com/2021/02/offic...cture-aro.html

Would You Want to Live in an Office Tower on East 38th Street? We asked an architecture firm to do a (theoretical) conversion.





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February 19, 2021


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Even as a new herd of giraffe-like towers cranes over the midtown skyline and airy work dens keep popping up at the edges, a vast stash of 50- to 70-year-old modernist office buildings sits in Manhattan’s wide midsection, begging for new purpose. Unglamorous and unloved, with low ceilings and leaky joints, many have let themselves go. Their air is stale, their elevators slow, their future murky

When companies do trickle back to midtown, they may gravitate to younger, sleeker towers, leaving these buildings, long since demoted to Class B and C status, to struggle in a discombobulated market. The law of supply and demand presents an obvious solution: convert them to apartments, which are chronically scarce...........
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To see how cubicles and conference rooms might be magicked into kitchens and bedrooms, I turned to a small but feisty New York firm, Architecture Research Office, founded in 1993 by Stephen Cassell, Kim Yao, and Adam Yarinsky. Working on short notice and for the eminently reasonable fee of zero dollars, the architects engaged in a whirlwind bout of research and creative thinking.

As their candidate for rejuvenation, ARO chose 260 Madison Avenue, between 38th and 39th Street, a bad building by an architect who had once been good. In the 1930s, the Austrian-born Sylvan Bien designed some flamboyantly New York–y hotels like the Carlyle and the Beverly (now the Benjamin), all stripes and crowns and crenellations. After World War II, he retooled as a sober modernist, and in 1950 replaced New York’s most extravagantly baronial residence, Charles Schwab’s Riverside Drive mansion, with the no-frills red-brick Schwab House.

The stepped stack of 18 floors at 260 Madison Avenue was in the works by then, its appeal boosted by a timely amenity: a nuclear fallout shelter big enough for 4,000. It opened in 1952, and even the upper floors felt slightly bunker-like; commercial-grade ducts give the offices 8.5-foot ceilings, low enough to make a tall man slouch preemptively. (A residential rehab would raise the ceiling height to an adequate, if not palatial, ten feet.)
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Like many buildings that predate the 1961 zoning code, 260 Madison couldn’t be built today. It’s stuffed with half a million square feet of interior space, about 80,000 more than the law allows. And yet every one of those square feet is the equivalent of a box of cash: no developer willingly throws one away. Accordingly, the architects slide the missing mass up a handful of floors, affixing a new structure onto the existing one. The result is a shape that turns more corners, captures more daylight, and sculpts a more varied form......


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I was just writing about 260 in the Macy’s thread. I pray that this odious PoS gets razed.
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Sapir is a total putz, so I'm not holding my breath. As per Sarah Palin, he put "lipstick on a pig" on his other vile PoS across the street at 261 Madison. Perhaps, he plans something equally lackluster here.
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he put "lipstick on a pig" on his other vile PoS across the street at 261 Madison. Perhaps, he plans something equally lackluster here.

You don’t have to go through ULURP for that. Maybe they will add some floors, or maybe tear down and build new. We will have to see.
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You don’t have to go through ULURP for that. Maybe they will add some floors, or maybe tear down and build new. We will have to see.
I really hope so. They could build a very tall residential/hotel here.
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I recall this recent move. Hopefully, the new tenant went bankrupt, and this odious building is virtually empty.

https://commercialobserver.com/2020/...or-demolition/
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^ Probably a short term lease, but construction may not be imminent on whatever is planned here. Not expecting anything very tall here, but depending on approvals, could be a tower of maybe 700 ft. I would love that at this site. But I've underestimated before.
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^ Probably a short term lease, but construction may not be imminent on whatever is planned here. Not expecting anything very tall here, but depending on approvals, could be a tower of maybe 700 ft. I would love that at this site. But I've underestimated before.
I hope that it was a short-term lease.
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12 years is a bummer.
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12 years is a bummer.
Not necessarily. Leases can be bought out, and in this era of the pandemic, there could be a lot going on there. Either way, it’s gearing up for ULURP, which means plans are afoot for something sooner rather than later.
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Not necessarily. Leases can be bought out, and in this era of the pandemic, there could be a lot going on there. Either way, it’s gearing up for ULURP, which means plans are afoot for something sooner rather than later.
I guess that Sapir can also move the tenants to 261 Madison, the filthy piece of excrement that they own across the street. As vile as 261 is, it’s actually better than 260.
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Another vile PoS that I’ve long wanted to come down is 265 Madison which is one block north of Sapir’s modern Gahenna. Madison, south of 42nd St., has so many gorgeous old buildings, but Sapir’s trash, 265 Madison, and to a lesser degree, 280 Madison are the sole pieces of junk.



280 is the least odious of the aforementioned group, but it’s still not worthy of this great area.

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That stretch of Madison Avenue has some nice older buildings (like most of it). But this is the type of building that was marked for potential redevelopment in the midtown east rezoning. It's a shame that the rezoning was limited as it was though, but whatever it took to get it through. The focus is on the main core area, but considering the proximity to Grand Central, I think they could have pushed that envelope further south.

This site just misses it. With ULURP necessary, that could mean either they want to rebuild to the current size from the ground up, they want to add space to the building, or they want to build a completely new and larger building.

Amazon is currently building out the old Lord & Taylor building around the corner for 2,000 employees.




















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I truly hope that this pos comes down.
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Does anyone know when this proposal is supposed to be presented to the City?



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^ Probably before the end of the year.
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This vile, odious, PoS appears on the website of this developer. Hopefully, it's a sign that it will be razed.

https://madisonmarquette.com/about/company-history/

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