Your city's Jewish community

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Elkhanan1

I think a leading scholar of Canadian Jewry should've come up with more meaningful classifications for Jewish survey participants, as I've described above. Oh, well.

To be fair, this was one of many questions and it was hardly emphasized (if at all) in the report (page 500 or so in the tables). The Ashkenazi/Sephardim distinction is more emphasized.

[Elkhanan1]

Originally Posted by Crawford

There were German Jewish settlements within the larger Volga German community. In any case, regardless of Jewish or Gentile, their ancestry could be Russian, German or Eastern European.

At least their national boundaries never changed, unlike the German and German Jewish communities to the west.

There might have been German-speaking Jewish settlements in the Volga region or, more likely, Yiddish-speaking. These particular Jews might have originated in Germany but they (and other German Jews) never would have self-identified as ethnic Germans. Rather they would have considered themselves Jews of German background geographically and maybe by citizenship.

In any case, their ancestry would've been Jewish with geographic, cultural and civic roots in Russia, Germany or Eastern Europe.

Still, I've never heard of German-speaking Jewish settlements in the Volga. You learn something everyday, I guess.

[Quixote]

Some more really interesting insights gleaned from the 2021 study of Jewish LA:

Age breakdown

0-17: 18%
18-24: 9%
25-34: 12.3%
35-44: 9.8%
45-54: 10.7%
55-64: 18%
65-74: 12.3%
75+: 9%

• Jewish children (17 and under) are essentially tied with those ages 55-64 as the largest cohort

• Jewish children being twice as prevalent as those age 75+ on paper bodes well for the stability of the population

• 40% are younger Millennials (born no later than 1988/89), Gen Z, and the generation following Gen Z

• 60% of the Jewish population is older Gen X (born in late 60s) and younger

• Probably about 20% are in the life stage window (mid 20s to late 30s) for having children

• Despite the intermarriage rate being higher than the inmarried rate, there are three Jews for every non-Jew within all Jewish households

[Quixote]

It's rather well-known among those cognizant about Jewish demography that South Florida is, per capita, about twice as Jewish as Greater LA and closer to Greater NYC, but I wonder if Jewry in South Florida will continue to sustain itself to the same degree. The main reasons:

• In Palm Beach County, the center of South Florida's Jewish community and home to half of its population (270,000), a whopping 56% of Jews are 65 and older (36% 75+).

• Palm Beach County has a smaller percentage of Jewish children (12.6%) and those ages 18-34 (16.5% Palm Beach) compared to the LA catchment area

• To the south, adjacent Broward County's Jewish population — estimated at 149,000 in 2018 — has been in decline for decades because of aging. And Jews there are also getting on, with 41% of them being 65 and older (22% 75+).

• Between Palm Beach and Broward Counties, Jews 75 and older account for 25% of South Florida's Jewish population; 65 and older 39%. That's 210,000 Jews eligible for Medicare.

• Miami-Dade County is already less Jewish percentage-wise than LA County, which has 3.7 times the population

• South Florida as a whole grew by 11% from 2010 to 2020, and it will continue to be a high-growth metro — meaning Jews' apportionment will decline

[Docere]

As residents beg a judge not to merge the Upper East and Upper West sides into a single congressional district, one group has come up with a novel argument against the change: Jews on the East and West sides are too different from each other.

"While both the East Side and the West Side support synagogues and Jewish schools of national stature, East Side Jews can be clearly differentiated from West Side Jews," reads a letter sent Tuesday to Steuben County Supreme Court Justice Patrick McAllister by leaders of the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York.

https://patch.com/new-york/upper-eas...tricting-judge

[Crawford]

I think South Florida Jewry is pretty distinct, depending on county.

Palm Beach County is the stereotypical retired NY/NJ, secular, Seinfeld's parents in Del Boca Vista, Phase 3, or whatever. God's waiting room. The Golden Girls crowd, but Jewish. Boca Raton has younger Jewish families, and (culturally) feels like a Long Island suburb.

Dade County is younger, more Orthodox, Russian, and Latin. Not the retired crowd. The Miami Beach pensioners are long gone. There are some secular Northeastern-derived Jews, but probably very affluent or still working.

I don't think Broward has any major Jewish concentrations, and Broward is diversifying the fastest of the three counties, with the fastest nonwhite increase, so it makes sense the Jewish community is declining.

[austlar1]

This 2016 report is a very comprehensive look at Broward County's Jewish population and has some interesting tables that compare Broward's Jewish population to other Jewish communities around the US.

https://jewishbroward.org/wp-content...oward-2016.pdf

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by Docere

Why are you assuming "German" and "American" responses are mostly Jewish?

Because it’s quite obvious based on inference.

All over the NYC metro, Italian and Irish are generally the two most predominant European ancestry groups by quite a wide margin. And unlike the Delaware Valley, the Tri-State Area isn’t known for being home to a large German population. Are you saying it’s just a coincidence that the one place (Manhattan) where that demographic pattern is disrupted also happens to be a place where Jews represent 33% of the white population?

“American” also tends to be a highly reported ancestry in communities with large Jewish populations. If “American” is more common than “English,” it’s a fair to assume that Jews account for a large share. The UES is 13.6% “American.” You really think most of those people are of English descent, which would mean English outnumber Irish? Maybe in CT but not NY and certainly not Manhattan.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Because it’s quite obvious based on inference.
All over the NYC metro, Italian and Irish are generally the two most predominant European ancestry groups by quite a wide margin. And unlike the Delaware Valley, the Tri-State Area isn’t known for being home to a large German population.

Yes, but in absolute numbers, there's still a very large German American population in the tri-state. Also, in contrast to some more overtly German American metros, the tri-state got the postwar Eastern European German migrants. And the UES has a legacy German neighborhood.

White Americans very commonly have German ancestry, excepting perhaps Appalachia and the Deep South. The UES is very white, so one would assume a degree of German ancestry.

[Docere]

...and New England. But New York did get a lot of German immigration (including some German Jewish but nowhere near a majority were Jewish). Obviously the percentage is lower given that it deviates a lot from "typical" American demographics.

[Docere]

We do not tabulate data on religious groups. If people write in a religious group as an ancestry response, it is included under "Other ancestries."

https://www.census.gov/topics/popula...about/faq.html

1 million in the 2000 census wrote a "religious response" - the vast majority presumably are Jewish. Can't find any more recent data - but it's probably around 15% of the Jewish population.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...t-43/tab01.pdf

[Docere]

Vibrant cores generally have vibrant Jewish communities, while your classic donuts (particularly in the Midwest) almost all Jews live in the suburbs:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/c...rbanist-agenda

[Crawford]

In recent times, it's kinda interesting that the most observant Jews are suburbanizing, while the more secular Jews appear to be gravitating to more urban locales.

Of course this is mostly an affordability issue, and the Orthodox sprawl is nothing like typical American sprawl.

My general sense is that the sprawly secular geographies (the West Bloomfield-type areas) won't exist in a few generations. There will still be suburban, secular Jews, but they'll be more generally distributed in favored quarter geographies.

[Docere]

This has been true for a long time in Toronto. Jews who live south of St. Clair are almost all progressive and (mostly) secular Jews. There has been a revitalization of Jewish life in the core. The once very Jewish neighborhoods around the Annex and Kensington Market (the heart of Jewish Toronto 70 years ago) have been revitalized. Old institutions have come back to life, and and new institutions to serve the progressive downtown population have emerged.

Going up along the Jewish hub of Bathurst St., Forest Hill, the closest-in Jewish neighborhood, is mostly Conservative and Reform Jews with long-established roots in Canada, with a handful of Modern Orthodox but overall few Orthodox Jews. Canada's most prominent Conservative and Reform congregations are in the Bathurst-Eglinton area.

North of Eglinton, the postwar Jewish neighborhoods of North York have become more Orthodox and/or Russian immigrant in character. It's a fairly dense "urban-suburban" area. Lots of apartments, very walkable, lots of people walking around, but the side streets are very suburban where 1950s bungalows are quickly being replaced by larger custom homes.

Thornhill, beyond the city limits at Steeeles, is full-fledged suburbia, and yet there's a large observant Jewish population there too:

https://rshare.library.ryerson.ca/ar...uburb/14654019

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by Docere

Yeah, that makes sense. To generalize, seems like DelCo is an extension of white ethnic and Black Philadelphia, Montgomery and Chester are affluent blue-trending suburbs (with Montgomery being fairly Jewish and Chester being more WASPy), and South Jersey more Italian American and less affluent/culturally liberal than the PA suburbs.

I know this is an old post, but just rehashing.

This is such a tired trope about Delaware County. It is Philadelphia's smallest and densest suburban county but it is by no means just White Ethnic and Black Philadelphia. That categorizes roughly the far most eastern and southern portions of the county (roughly east of the Blue Route (476) and South of Rt 1), with a few exceptions along the I95 corridor south. Even that's not a completely fair dividing line because both Swarthmore and Springfield are east of 476 and both far exceed national and area income and education stats. A far larger portion of the county (geographically) is affluent and educated. Nearly all of the affluent areas are growing briskly.

All of the following school districts are either wholly are partly in Delaware County, and no one would describe any of these places as blue collar.
Radnor SD: (Radnor Township: Wayne, Villanova)
Haverford SD: (Haverford Township: Haverford, Havertown)
Rose Tree Media SD: (Upper Providence Twp, Media Boro, Middletown Twp, Edgmont Twp)
Wallingford Swarthmore SD: (Nether Providence Twp: i.e. Wallingford, Swarthmore, Moylan, Rutledge)
Marple Newtown SD: (Newtown Township: i.e. Newtown Square, Marple Township: i.e. Broomall)
Springfield SD: Springfield, Morton
Garnet Valley SD: (Bethel Township (i.e. Garnet Valley), Concord Township (i.e. Glen Mills), Chester Heights Boro)
West Chester SD: Includes Thornbury Township in Delaware County
Unionville Chadds Ford SD: Includes Chadds Ford Township in Delaware County

What's left I'd describe as middle middle class Penn Delco and Chichester.

The balance of the county is what I'd describe as either white ethnic blue collar (Interboro SD, Ridley SD, Upper Darby SD) or Black (SE Delco, William Penn, Chester). Even then, Upper Darby has surprisingly large swathes of upper middle class neighborhoods (Aronimink, Drexel Park, etc).

So no, the county is not just uneducated blue collar people. Also, Biden won Delaware County by 17 points, driven largely by voters in those affluent towns. Compare that to his performance in Nassau County NY.

[Crawford]

Delco feels extremely blue collar when headed through Philly via train. Post-industrial grit.

It appears there's considerable wealth, but more in the newer sprawl areas, not the traditional, railroad-oriented population centers.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Crawford

In recent times, it's kinda interesting that the most observant Jews are suburbanizing, while the more secular Jews appear to be gravitating to more urban locales.

Of course this is mostly an affordability issue, and the Orthodox sprawl is nothing like typical American sprawl.

My general sense is that the sprawly secular geographies (the West Bloomfield-type areas) won't exist in a few generations. There will still be suburban, secular Jews, but they'll be more generally distributed in favored quarter geographies.

Observant Jews tend to have large families and live rather "conservative" lifestyles.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Docere

Observant Jews tend to have large families and live rather "conservative" lifestyles.

Right, but the movement of more conservative Jews to more peripheral geographies has more to do with economics than faith or culture. It's mostly a quest for cheaper real estate, especially given the housing pressures for large families.

Of course the Orthodox aren't abandoning urban locales. Brooklyn's Orthodox population continues to rise, and will probably always be the largest community outside of Israel. But the rate of growth has slowed down considerably, while Lakewood, Kiryas Joel and others boom.

There are also a number of nascent Orthodox communities in the Catskills, yet to be built. A number of developers have purchased large acreage for KJ-style apartment blocks in the woods. Of course there is NIMBY pushback.

[mrnyc]

fittingly cleveland has two of the top twenty jewish delis --

old school jacks and new school larder --

its been awhile, but i can vouch for both.




Tasting Table ranks 2 Cleveland Jewish delis in top 20 in the nation

Tasting Table has named Larder Deli and Bakery and Jack's Deli and Restaurant as two of its top Jewish delis.


CLEVELAND — Cleveland has a storied history of being the home of some of the country's top Jewish delis.

And a new national ranking proves as much.

On Tuesday, the popular food website, Tasting Table, published its list of the top 20 Jewish delis in the United States. Two Cleveland locations made the cut, with Larder Deli and Bakery and Jack's Deli and Restaurant receiving recognition from the publication.


more:
https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/fo...7-0315dfd2c3d7

https://www.tastingtable.com/956737/...lis-in-the-us/

[Quixote]

Israel’s El Al Will Move Its US Head Office To Miami

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The move from New York to Miami will lead to substantial cost savings for the airline as it continues its recovery from the pandemic. The annual rent for the new head office in Miami will be $90,000, meaning a saving of over $500,000 per year compared to the cost of the current New York office.

...

El Al’s US head office has been located in New York for several decades. It also has local offices in Los Angeles and Miami.

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While the move from New York to Miami will lead to substantial cost savings for the airline, the relocation is unlikely to have any significant impact on its operations.

https://simpleflying.com/el-al-head-office-miami/


Meanwhile:

El Al To Suspend Flights Between Toronto & Tel Aviv

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The decision to close El Al’s Toronto route has drawn widespread criticism from Canada’s Jewish community over the reduced connection between the two countries. Air Canada will become the only direct air link between Toronto and Tel Aviv from the end of October.

Toronto-based financial advisor Asaf Halperin subsequently launched a petition urging the airline to reconsider, currently sitting at over 4,000 signatures. Supporters have cited various reasons for their signatures, including a lack of accessibility on the route, and enhanced security when traveling with El Al.

...

https://simpleflying.com/el-al-to-su...onto-tel-aviv/