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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 2:43 PM
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^none for me. Everyone I know either has had one or really wants one like now or are lazy about it so far but plans on getting one.
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Does anyone personally know anyone with vaccine hesitancy? I might have a cousin or two I haven't talked to in years, but I don't have a single close family member, friend, dentist, hair dresser, barista, etc. who either hasn't gotten the shot or is anxiously waiting to get one. I am curious if anyone has friends, family, colleagues, etc. who are not planning on getting a shot and if so are you going to encourage them to change their? More vaccinations, less variants.
Yes. I talk to them every day. But I’m in a unique position being a healthcare professional and interacting with people face to face of varying backgrounds every day (I don’t WFH and associate with the same 5 people daily, which if you ask me only amplifies the irrational fear and ignorance out there)

Meeting people. Different people. Strangers. Every day. Who’d a thought that doing such a thing would be such a rare privilege? It’s become one now, and I feel blessed.

Anyhow, I regularly meet people who are scared of the vaccine, even though I strongly urge them to get it. Fear is a very powerful thing, it overrides pretty much every other sensibility—rational or not—that we have. Look at Pedestrian
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 2:47 PM
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I'm very pro-science, pro-vaccine, but I canceled my 2nd Moderna shot. I'm still within the 42 day window, which ends one week from today.

I had decades of mild, manageable tinnitus. About 5 days after my first Moderna shot, it got suddenly and dramatically worse, and it remains that way today. The prospect of it getting even worse with a second shot was untenable to me.

There are increasing numbers of people reporting this same condition. I'm on a FB COVID vaccine tinnitus group started just a couple weeks ago that now has over 1,000 members. So far, it's not getting much attention or generating much news.
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^ I’m sorry to hear that. Nothing unreasonable about what you’re doing.

I have never had a patient experience what you are experiencing, though
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 3:04 PM
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^ I’m sorry to hear that. Nothing unreasonable about what you’re doing.

I have never had a patient experience what you are experiencing, though
That doesn't surprise me. My Doc said he hadn't heard about it and recommended that I proceed with the second shot. Based on my perception of the tone of his response, I ignored him. It came across as dismissive to me. This was a message exchange between the two of us on the practice's patient portal.
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Yes. I talk to them every day. But I’m in a unique position being a healthcare professional and interacting with people face to face of varying backgrounds every day (I don’t WFH and associate with the same 5 people daily, which if you ask me only amplifies the irrational fear and ignorance out there)

Meeting people. Different people. Strangers. Every day. Who’d a thought that doing such a thing would be such a rare privilege? It’s become one now, and I feel blessed.

Anyhow, I regularly meet people who are scared of the vaccine, even though I strongly urge them to get it. Fear is a very powerful thing, it overrides pretty much every other sensibility—rational or not—that we have. Look at Pedestrian
What angle do you take with your patients? I mean, I haven't run into ANYONE who is against it. But I am bound to, and maybe (probably) even someone I know. I think I have all the facts at hand, but am curious if you might have good talking points, medical or otherwise.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 3:12 PM
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What angle do you take with your patients? I mean, I haven't run into ANYONE who is against it. But I am bound to, and maybe (probably) even someone I know. I think I have all the facts at hand, but am curious if you might have good talking points, medical or otherwise.
I tell them that it is very important to get vaccinated, that the risk of anything bad happening is close to zero, that it will help us end the pandemic, and that the shot is basically free immunity.

It sways some people but not many of them.

Fear is the most stubborn emotion out there. Trust me.

That is why, this far into the pandemic and knowing what we know, we still can’t get our lives back to normal. Its the fear
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 3:20 PM
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I have met more young people that are at least skeptical (if not afraid) of the vaccine than young people who are scared of Covid. And that’s probably justified. Covid is very rarely a problem for young, healthy people but mRNA vaccines are a brand new technology and no long-term studies of their effects exist.

Most people I know are just getting the vaccine out of worry that it will be a prerequisite to do the things they want to do. I’m only getting it so that I can travel freely in Europe.
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I have met more young people that are at least skeptical (if not afraid) of the vaccine than young people who are scared of Covid. And that’s probably justified. Covid is very rarely a problem for young, healthy people but mRNA vaccines are a brand new technology and no long-term studies of their effects exist.

Most people I know are just getting the vaccine out of worry that it will be a prerequisite to do the things they want to do. I’m only getting it so that I can travel freely in Europe.
I'm very worried about that. I wonder how many people there are going to be such as myself who get the first shot but not the second one (for vaccines that have a two dose regimen). I have to travel for work.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 3:29 PM
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Does anyone personally know anyone with vaccine hesitancy? I might have a cousin or two I haven't talked to in years, but I don't have a single close family member, friend, dentist, hair dresser, barista, etc. who either hasn't gotten the shot or is anxiously waiting to get one. I am curious if anyone has friends, family, colleagues, etc. who are not planning on getting a shot and if so are you going to encourage them to change their? More vaccinations, less variants.
There doesn't seem to be much trouble convincing people of any age in NY to get it. That might be because so many of us know people who got very ill from it last year. From social media posts, it seems like there is much more skepticism of the vaccine in Michigan. Of my network there, it looks like about half were eager to rush and get vaccinated when eligible, and half were either apathetic or outright skeptical.
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Does anyone personally know anyone with vaccine hesitancy? I might have a cousin or two I haven't talked to in years, but I don't have a single close family member, friend, dentist, hair dresser, barista, etc. who either hasn't gotten the shot or is anxiously waiting to get one. I am curious if anyone has friends, family, colleagues, etc. who are not planning on getting a shot and if so are you going to encourage them to change their? More vaccinations, less variants.
yes, my sister-in-law's husband and his family. I think they finally stopped believing that it's a secret Bill Gates microchip, but they still don't want it.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2021, 3:32 PM
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I have met more young people that are at least skeptical (if not afraid) of the vaccine than young people who are scared of Covid. And that’s probably justified. Covid is very rarely a problem for young, healthy people but mRNA vaccines are a brand new technology and no long-term studies of their effects exist.
I get that, but as a 56 year old I have more concerns (not fear) about Covid than about new pharma technology. But then mRNA has been in development for over a decade. To those concerned about it being new, so was the smallpox vaccine, the measles vaccine, and of course, the Polio vaccine. Got to start somewhere.
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I have met more young people that are at least skeptical (if not afraid) of the vaccine than young people who are scared of Covid. And that’s probably justified. Covid is very rarely a problem for young, healthy people but mRNA vaccines are a brand new technology and no long-term studies of their effects exist.

Most people I know are just getting the vaccine out of worry that it will be a prerequisite to do the things they want to do. I’m only getting it so that I can travel freely in Europe.
I think that is a pretty common sentiment among younger people in general. I never bothered with a flu shot until I was 45 because I always thought my odds of getting really sick were low while the shot itself could give me flu like symptoms.
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I think that is a pretty common sentiment among younger people in general. I never bothered with a flu shot until I was 45 because I always thought my odds of getting really sick were low while the shot itself could give me flu like symptoms.
Same on flu shot, waited until I was 50. Even then, it was partially because my mom and my husband (and my doctor) kept haranguing me about it. And I considered how my getting the shot might keep another person from getting the flu. No hesitation with Shingrix; I had a friend who had terrible shingles so I was happy to get that shot. Side effects sucked. I am expecting my second Moderna is going to have bad side effects.

I just want more people to get the vaccine so we can open up more.
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I think that is a pretty common sentiment among younger people in general. I never bothered with a flu shot until I was 45 because I always thought my odds of getting really sick were low while the shot itself could give me flu like symptoms.
I got flu shots just about every year in middle and high school, but only because my parents were required to be vaccinated for work. I haven't gotten a flu shot since college, but I got the flu a couple of years ago and it was no fun at all. If it were more convenient to get the shot, I would do it every year without question.
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yes, my sister-in-law's husband and his family. I think they finally stopped believing that it's a secret Bill Gates microchip, but they still don't want it.
Might be a dumb question but since you’re a physicist by trade, is it even theoretically possible to implant a chip into someone via a vehicle like a clear, colorless solution injected intramuscularly? I know things like valves and sensors can be implanted through major arteries and veins but you can actually see those with your naked eye.
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I got flu shots just about every year in middle and high school, but only because my parents were required to be vaccinated for work. I haven't gotten a flu shot since college, but I got the flu a couple of years ago and it was no fun at all. If it were more convenient to get the shot, I would do it every year without question.
I've been getting flu shots every year since I was 40, because it *is* convenient, at least for me---that was the age I started working for my current employer, who offered free flu shots via Rite Aid; a nurse and pharmacist would show up to my work, and anyone who wanted a flu shot could get one. But then 3 years ago, our stupid CEO/owner didn't want to sign the waiver that said Rite Aid wouldn't be responsible for anyone who might have a bad reaction from the flu shot, so those free flu shot clinics in the break room stopped. But I still go to Rite Aid to get my free flu shot (they accept my health insurance); you don't even need to make an appointment. I could also make an appointment at my doctor's office, but I find that to be more of a hassle.
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Frequent vaccination secures a robust immune system, and it is even believed that vaccination confers protection against viruses OTHER than what the vaccine is for, by way of stimulating the T Cell system.

I view vaccination as training. If you want to win, you gotta train your soldiers
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I get that, but as a 56 year old I have more concerns (not fear) about Covid than about new pharma technology. But then mRNA has been in development for over a decade. To those concerned about it being new, so was the smallpox vaccine, the measles vaccine, and of course, the Polio vaccine. Got to start somewhere.
Right, but you are not a young person and so the calculus is obviously different.

And mRNA is new in a different way. It’s essentially a gene editing technology. Most of those earlier vaccines were a fairly tried and tested approach using attenuated virus. And many of those diseases, like smallpox or polio, are far more dangerous than Covid for the general population.

Really we should be strongly encouraging anyone over 50 to be vaccinated, leaving it up to personal preference (but free and widely available) for younger people, and not conferring any special privileges on the vaccinated. In other words treat it just like influenza, but with the government paying and a stronger PR effort.
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Right, but you are not a young person and so the calculus is obviously different.

And mRNA is new in a different way. It’s essentially a gene editing technology. Most of those earlier vaccines were a fairly tried and tested approach using attenuated virus. And many of those diseases, like smallpox or polio, are far more dangerous than Covid for the general population.

Really we should be strongly encouraging anyone over 50 to be vaccinated, leaving it up to personal preference (but free and widely available) for younger people, and not conferring any special privileges on the vaccinated. In other words treat it just like influenza, but with the government paying and a stronger PR effort.
56 is old? Holy shit!

And I disagree that we should be targeting any age group for vaccination. All adults should be encouraged to get the shots. I’m not as irrationally freaked about variants as some others are, but we DO have to acknowledge that as long as the viral load is high in the public, the virus will gradually evolve into resistant strains. Keeping viral levels low within the population is the best way to dramatically slow that process down.
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