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Cattle in The Earliest European Cities Weren't Bred as Food

I thought this was an interesting article, and it makes sense to me. People today don't realize how much the Industrial Revolution changed our diets. Sweets, red meat... traditionally all of those were festival or celebration/special occasion foods. Now, we can buy candy and red meat whenever we want, it is readily available all year round. This is why western Christians (Catholics) didn't eat meat on Fridays, because meat was considered celebratory food, and Fridays were days of solemnity---but paradoxically, it wouldn't have been readily available to them anyway, centuries ago.

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Cattle in The Earliest European Cities Weren't Bred as Food


Illustration of a mega city of Trypillia culture. (Susanne Beyer/Kiel University)

07 January 2024

By CARLY CASSELLA

The earliest cities in Europe were built on the foundations of a mostly vegetarian diet, according to new research. The findings suggest that even with the dawn of agriculture and large, planned settlements, meat was but a delicacy.

The gigantic circular cities of the Trypillia culture emerged around 6,000 years ago in what is now Ukraine and Moldova.

The largest of these mega sites covered an area equivalent to several hundred football fields of land and once housed up to 15,000 people. They were larger than any other settlements in the world at the time, rivaling even the cities of ancient Mesopotamia that would soon follow in the Fertile Crescent.

Feeding each and every mouth in Trypillia society required "extremely sophisticated food and pasture management," says paleoecologist Frank Schlütz, who led the study at the Christian-Albrechts-University in Germany.

But even though cattle were a crucial part of the system, beef wasn't.

Between 4200 and 3650 BCE, animals domesticated by Trypillia societies were prized largely for their poop, not their flesh, according to Schlütz and his team.

An analysis of nitrogen isotopes in teeth, bones, and soil from the remains of Tryphillia societies suggests that early farmers in Europe were mostly consuming peas, lentils, and cereal grains, like barley.

Cattle, sheep, and goats, which were kept in fenced pastures, were largely used to fertilize farmland. These animals also ate peas and grains, and their manure boosted the production of later crops.

Slaughtering the herds for meat would have depleted a vital resource after much labor raising them, collapsing the whole system.

Previously, some scientists had assumed there was intensive meat production in Trypillia societies, based on the estimated size of their herds. But that may not be true after all.

Animal products contributed just 8 to 10 percent of the regular Trypillia diet, according to Schlütz and his team.

"We hypothesize that there would have been days during which only meat was consumed," the authors write, as well as "some everyday meat consumption, preferably from small animals".

When crops and soil are fertilized by manure, biological turnover is increased, resulting in higher nitrogen isotope levels overall.

This is how scientists determined that the crop yields of pea seeds and broad beans, found in the soil of Trypillia sites, were probably improved with "high levels of manuring, over long periods, on small plots close to houses and stables."

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Those were the good old days. The olden days. Where the amount of cattle that a man had was a sign of wealth. And also where justice was served. Steal or hurt a mans cattle, and one has to pay a certain sum of compensation. The man with the cattle made a good husband, can provide. And the cattle back in the day were all organic, non-GMO, sulfite free, and didn't need any organic certifications and no additional mark up for such a label. Was pure, fresh meat at its finest. Yeah might have a few diseases in it or prions... but... the cost of organic meat I suppose back in the day.

There was no fast food back in that day. One had to slaughter, skin, prepare and cook over a fire or some makeshift primative oven. Made for a better cook. More natural.
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The industrial revolution revolutionized fencing. Chicken wire and especially barbed wire made the enclosure of a very large area possible with unprecedented ease.

All of those bible stories about shepherds are hard to understand in the present-day, since there wasn't much fencing or many walls back then. They used to lead the sheep out into open grassland but had to coral them and physically fight off wolves/coyotes and other predators. You switched off with another dude at some point but you were basically out there in the weather with these damn animals almost constantly.
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This is basic anthropology 101 stuff.

Raising a cow is expensive, you can kill it for roughly 1000 meals, or you can have it produce years' worth of milk, cheese and cream.

There is a reason why even today the only places that raise beef cattle to a large degree are places with wide open steppe and Plaines. The USA, Australia, South Africa, Argentina.

Settled framing populations usually had far less meat diets and as a result the average person was smaller. this is commented on in antiquity with people in the forested north who still had diets primarily of hunted game being much larger than their settled Greek and Roman counterparts. As well as later on the invading steppe tribes from the Huns to the Mongols fed on livestock being large and imposing compared to the largely fish and graine fed Europeans and Chinese populations they conquered.
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Animal products contributed just 8 to 10 percent of the regular Trypillia diet, according to Schlütz and his team.
Am I missing something? Considering standard of living/access to food, this is actually a pretty decent percentage. Probably similar to standard medieval peasant farmer. They make it sound like these people were vegetarians.

Poor/subsistence level farmers never had a lot of meat in their diets.
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Am I missing something? Considering standard of living/access to food, this is actually a pretty decent percentage. Probably similar to standard medieval peasant farmer. They make it sound like these people were vegetarians.
You're missing the next sentence: "'We hypothesize that there would have been days during which only meat was consumed," the authors write, as well as 'some everyday meat consumption, preferably from small animals.'"

The point of the article is that cattle wasn't bred for food in those early times.
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It's fascinating how the dietary habits of early European cities, particularly the Trypillia culture, were predominantly vegetarian, emphasizing the significance of agriculture and the complex management of food resources in those societies. The shift in our modern diets due to the Industrial Revolution is indeed a substantial transformation to reflect upon.
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I also want to know.

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