Freeport-McMoRan Center (One Central Park East) - Phoenix, AZ

[tempedude]

my point is ..a lot more office space is on the way

[PHX_PD]

^ Wrong thread for CityScape, but Phase II calls for a 37 story residential tower and a 37 story hotel.

[HX_Guy]

Where did you pull the figure of 17 floors...and for a hotel?

Phase II should either two residential towers or one residential and one office, there won't be another hotel as far as I know.

[combusean]

Phxbyrd, that 8 stories of parking is needed somewhere--would you rather them put it underground (at $30k a space), chopping that off the height, or even worse in a separate structure?

PD, every massing model I've seen has the hotel tower--I think it's actually a hotel and residences--the same size as the tower to the north. ftp://phoenix.gov/pub/DOWNTOWN/patriotsplan2.pdf puts it at 37 stories. I think the compression artifacts in HX's image turn that 3 into a 1.

[Vicelord John]

the more i look at this the more i think of arizona center #2

[kevininlb]

Originally Posted by John_Vandercook

the more i look at this the more i think of arizona center #2

Is that a bad thing? (I'm not being sarcastic; I don't know.) I'm assuming it is. I was there on Sunday and it was half-full of people (mostly students) and there was quite a lot going on (which is more than can be said for downtown, which was a ghosttown outside some homeless guy getting naked outside Subway). Anyway, my point is I like Arizona Center, although I'm sure it has a ton of shortcomings I'm unaware of.

[HooverDam]

Originally Posted by kevininlb

Is that a bad thing? (I'm not being sarcastic; I don't know.) I'm assuming it is. I was there on Sunday and it was half-full of people (mostly students) and there was quite a lot going on (which is more than can be said for downtown, which was a ghosttown outside some homeless guy getting naked outside Subway). Anyway, my point is I like Arizona Center, although I'm sure it has a ton of shortcomings I'm unaware of.

The AZ Center is usually fairly full with people, however its generally disliked because its turned in on itself and presents blank walls to the street. Its a very Desert Ridge-suburban style design, it doesn't fit in an urban setting.

I don't see why Vandercook thinks Cityscape will be another AZ Center though, it has towers with residential and hotel as well as retail on the 'outside' of the development. I think Cityscape has a chance to be more like San Diego's "Horton Plaza" than the Arizona Center.

[Vicelord John]

I say it will be like AZ center because much like AZ center, it does not appear to have retail facing the sidewalks, but it does seem to have walls.

edit: shit these threads are hard to keep track of... I was thinking I was posting in the Cityscape thread.

[ConstruktPhx]

The other reason that is increasing the floor-to-floor heights for OCPE, as compared to 44 Monroe, is that OCPE is a steel structure, while Monroe is cast-in-place.

[HX_Guy]

Oh really? That means it should go up fairly fast right?

[ConstruktPhx]

Yes, the building should be erected fairly quickly due to it being a steel structure. Overall, a steel building will top-out quicker than a cast-in-place structure, but it won't get started as quickly. The starting schedule is longer due to steel detailing and fabrication lead-times.

[AZ KID]

So when do you think construction will start?

[HX_Guy]

The tower crane height of 440' was approved by the FAA and shows a work schedule of December 15th, 2007 - October 15, 2007 in the report itself.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...eCaseID=540311

[PHX31]

So we have about 2 months until the crane is used on site? That would be coo if 44 Monroe and the Sheraton's tower cranes are still up, giving us an additional crane on the skyline, although I wouldn't be surprised if one or all of them would come down by then. But who knows...

Hopefully there will be about 1-2 months of site prep/lowest level excavation, meaning the groundbreaking is immenant.

[HX_Guy]

Now we're talking!!!

Permit# BLDS-T459429 Issue Date 10/15/07 Expires 10/14/09
Permit Description 26 STORY HIGH RISE OFFICE SHELL
Project 06-1166 CENTRAL PARK EAST
Address 50 E VAN BUREN ST Zoning

Description/Scope of Work: COMMERCIAL NEW

SCOPE OF WORK: BLDG STRUC PLMB MECH ELEC LSC PLAT SITE TRAF CIVIL

DESCRIPTION OF WORK: 26 STORY HIGH RISE BUILDING CONSISTING OF 1 LEVEL BASEMENT, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, 9 LEVELS OF ABOVE GRADE PARKING AND 16 LEVELS OF CORE/SHELL OFFICE SPACE.

This permit is issued just for shell building.


Level Occupancy Area Occupant

Basement S-1 18,303 37
Ground M 8,434 281
Ground B 3,650 36
Ground S-1 3,745 13
2 B 653 7
2 S-2 15,015 75
3 S-2 25,886 130
4 S-2 25,886 130
5 S-2 25,886 130
6 S-2 25,886 130
7 S-2 25,886 130
8 S-2 25,886 130
9 S-2 25,886 130
10 S-2 25,886 130
11 B 25,395 254
12 B 25,714 257
13 B 26,020 260
14 B 26,020 260
15 B 26,020 260
16 B 26,020 260
17 B 26,020 260
18 B 26,020 260
19 B 26,020 260
20 B 26,020 260
21 B 26,020 260
22 B 26,628 266
23 B 27,030 270
24 B 27,030 270
25 B 26,420 264
26 B 26,420 264

I highlighted floor #13, because there will actually be a floor #13! So there are actually 26 physical floors, not 25 as other buildings would do when they skip #13.

Looks like this thing should break ground any day now. Does anyone know what the "S-2" and "B" mean for the Occupancy? And then there is a number for occupant...so are all the floors already assigned to occupants or what do these numbers mean?

[tempedude]

[PHX31]

Another interesting thing is the area increases by about 1,000SF between floor 21 and 23, then decreases by about 600SF again for the top two floors. You can kind of see architectural details that would lend this to happenenig from the rendering... but I kind of thought they had to redesign the building a little bit.

[HX_Guy]

I think they did have to redesign it a little bit, but that's just it, a little bit. I think it had more to do with the north side wall being too blank, therefore requiring more windows, different shade items, things like that...but not really a redesign of the building in large.

[sundevilgrad]

That'd be cool to see a ground breaking pretty soon! Hopefully we'll get another tower crane up in month or two...

[JI5]

..yeah, because we're about to have NO cranes.