HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #101  
Old Posted Sep 16, 2022, 5:29 PM
mrnyc mrnyc is offline
cle/west village/shaolin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,586
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed View Post
Yeah, that's what I was referring to when I said the U.S. government has been intervening there since the Spanish-American War. One of the conditions for Cuba being granted independence from the U.S. was that the U.S. government had the right to intervene in both Cuba's domestic affairs and in its international relations.

Cuba's status before the Cuban Revolution was almost the same as what Puerto Rico's status is today. The main difference is that Cuba wasn't claimed as a territory by the U.S. government, and Cuba's citizens weren't U.S. nationals.
yeah i was referring to the time just before the castros, the bautista era, just because its still within living memory.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #102  
Old Posted Sep 17, 2022, 10:03 PM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
Miami-Dade might be second-most interesting given the presence of R-leaning Hispanic groups. NYC in the aggregate is pretty "boring" but fascinating at the precinct level.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #103  
Old Posted Sep 20, 2022, 7:06 PM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
Just realized that Chicago Poles have been just about the least successful group politically. There's never been a Polish American mayor of Chicago or senator or governor from Illinois.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #104  
Old Posted Sep 20, 2022, 7:12 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 29,634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
Just realized that Chicago Poles have been just about the least successful group politically. There's never been a Polish American mayor of Chicago or senator or governor from Illinois.
an old saying in chicago politics from last century:

“A Lithuanian won’t vote for a Pole, and a Pole won’t vote for a Lithuanian. A German won’t vote for either of them. But all three will vote for a turkey—an Irishman.”
__________________
"Missing middle" housing can be a great middle ground for many middle class families.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #105  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 12:50 AM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
There are 4 townships in Cook that voted R, and 4 of the 5 most Polish American townships voted R.

Polish Americans

Norwood Park 30.9%
Lemont 26.2%
Palos 25.1%
Stickney 22.5%
Orland 19.1%
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #106  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 5:53 AM
CaliNative CaliNative is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 3,133
LA and SF metro areas are just as diverse ethnically as NYC. Houston and Chicago are diverse too. Most major U.S. cities are increasingly diverse. In some cities, the immigrants cluster in enclaves, in others they spread out. In L.A. area, Armenians cluster in Glendale, Pasadena and east Hollywood. Koreans in Koreatown. Persians and Jews in west L.A. and parts of the SF Valley. As they assimilate they move to other areas.

Last edited by CaliNative; Sep 30, 2022 at 6:10 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #107  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:20 AM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
I can't really think of too many right-leaning areas of L.A. County, closest (ironically) is Beverly Hills (Persian Jews) which is pretty R for an educated and affluent area.

And Bay Area is super-D pretty much everywhere I think.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #108  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:48 AM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is offline
Birds Aren't Real!
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
I can't really think of too many right-leaning areas of L.A. County
That's what Orange County is for.

Also, don't misrepresent Beverly Hills as being more red than blue--it's not. President Biden won Beverly Hills decisively in 2020.

Last edited by craigs; Sep 30, 2022 at 6:59 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #109  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:01 AM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
True, it's still blue, just relatively conservative and R-leaning (i.e. north of 40%).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #110  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:07 AM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is offline
Birds Aren't Real!
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
True, it's still blue, just relatively conservative and R-leaning (i.e. north of 40%).
58% went of BH voters and 13 of 15 BH precincts went for President Biden in the 2020 election. That is not "conservative and R-leaning." You're really straining here.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #111  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 2:40 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 29,634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
There are 4 townships in Cook that voted R, and 4 of the 5 most Polish American townships voted R.

Polish Americans

Norwood Park 30.9%
Lemont 26.2%
Palos 25.1%
Stickney 22.5%
Orland 19.1%
which of those 5 townships is the one that went blue in 2020?

i'm guessing one of the lower percentage ones, perhaps Stickney?
__________________
"Missing middle" housing can be a great middle ground for many middle class families.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #112  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 4:58 PM
Gantz Gantz is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 653
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed View Post
I think the Brooklyn-Staten Island district is structurally out of reach for Democrats.
That district was actually D and flipped to R in 2020. So it is fairly close and the Dems can flip it back.

The main issue for Ds is that some Asians are starting to vote for Rs, as local education reform and non-merit based admissions are not popular with Asians.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #113  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 5:05 PM
202_Cyclist's Avatar
202_Cyclist 202_Cyclist is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,911
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigs View Post
That's what Orange County is for.

Also, don't misrepresent Beverly Hills as being more red than blue--it's not. President Biden won Beverly Hills decisively in 2020.
Orange County is evenly divided now and the days of the Orange Curtain are over. Between 2018 and 2020, Orange County's entire Congressional delegation was Democratic.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #114  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 5:22 PM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
which of those 5 townships is the one that went blue in 2020?

i'm guessing one of the lower percentage ones, perhaps Stickney?
Stickney

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #115  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 5:29 PM
edale edale is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,177
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
I can't really think of too many right-leaning areas of L.A. County, closest (ironically) is Beverly Hills (Persian Jews) which is pretty R for an educated and affluent area.

And Bay Area is super-D pretty much everywhere I think.
Historically, the Los Angeles area has not been the super liberal place it's known as today. LA County supported Proposition 8 (by a slim margin, but still) which banned gay marriage in California in 2008. It has taken a significant shift to the left in the past decade+, as has Orange County, but Southern CA/Greater LA has always been way more conservative than the Bay Area.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #116  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:15 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is offline
devout Pizzatarian
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lincoln Square, Chicago
Posts: 29,634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docere View Post
thanks for the link!

lemont was the only truly lopsided one for the red team with a 19 point spread, the other 3 were all within 3 - 6 points.



and why in god's name did that website invert red & blue?

kinda disorienting at first.
__________________
"Missing middle" housing can be a great middle ground for many middle class families.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #117  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:37 PM
Crawford Crawford is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brooklyn, NYC/Polanco, DF
Posts: 30,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gantz View Post
That district was actually D and flipped to R in 2020. So it is fairly close and the Dems can flip it back.

The main issue for Ds is that some Asians are starting to vote for Rs, as local education reform and non-merit based admissions are not popular with Asians.
Not sure if that second point is true, but if it is, those voters would probably flip back D, as the new Schools Chancellor has basically thrown out DeBlasio's school admissions policies (which were idiotic, IMO).

DeBlasio's K-12 Ed Policy was almost farcical. It was like replaying the 1960's-70's. Glad that nightmare is over.

Bay Ridge is pretty heavily Asian these days, and now gets a lot of the brownstone/gentrifier crowd. I imagine that district will be tough for the GOP in coming election cycles. Still lots of conservative Italians, Irish, Norweigans, Greeks and former Soviets, but probably not quite enough anymore. Also a pretty big Arab population, and not sure how they vote. Probably D-leaning, but also a lot of longtime Arab Christian business owners who I could see voting R.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #118  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:43 PM
Crawford Crawford is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brooklyn, NYC/Polanco, DF
Posts: 30,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist View Post
Orange County is evenly divided now and the days of the Orange Curtain are over. Between 2018 and 2020, Orange County's entire Congressional delegation was Democratic.
True, but I think it's fair to say OC is relatively conservative for Coastal CA.

Trump Conservatism generally just doesn't work there, so not surprising there's GOP decline. But it's still a competitive county, which is kind of crazy given the strongly nonwhite demographics. Yeah, the older Vietnamese vote GOP, but that isn't a huge countywide vote.

My sense is that places like Dana Point and Newport Beach (white, rich, culturally conservative, fair number of traditional Protestant Christians) are still solidly GOP, and if you gave them a non-Trumpy candidate, they'd be overwhelmingly GOP.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #119  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 10:16 PM
Docere Docere is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7,364
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
thanks for the link!

lemont was the only truly lopsided one for the red team with a 19 point spread, the other 3 were all within 3 - 6 points.
Lemont is the second least dense township in Cook County, after Barrington. Barrington is affluent exurban "horse country" I believe and it was narrowly D - I assume it went strongly for Romney.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #120  
Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 10:52 PM
sopas ej's Avatar
sopas ej sopas ej is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South Pasadena, California
Posts: 6,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crawford View Post
True, but I think it's fair to say OC is relatively conservative for Coastal CA.

Trump Conservatism generally just doesn't work there, so not surprising there's GOP decline. But it's still a competitive county, which is kind of crazy given the strongly nonwhite demographics. Yeah, the older Vietnamese vote GOP, but that isn't a huge countywide vote.

My sense is that places like Dana Point and Newport Beach (white, rich, culturally conservative, fair number of traditional Protestant Christians) are still solidly GOP, and if you gave them a non-Trumpy candidate, they'd be overwhelmingly GOP.
Oh my gosh, for several weeks now, I've been seeing ads on TV from Republican Congresswoman Michelle Steel from Orange County, being that she's up for reelection. Her ads are so annoying. She's a Korean-American, married to a white guy (presumably conservative himself). Anyway, in her ad, she said "My family came to the US to escape socialism..."---Even though she was born in Seoul. Such bullshit. And I recently read how she's really kissing up for votes among the Republican-leaning Vietnamese community in Orange County.

Not sure how accurate the source is---here's the website, and I specifically did my city: https://bestneighborhood.org/conserv...h-pasadena-ca/ (you can zoom in and out and look at other US areas), but here's LA County's Repub/Democrat political leanings:


I noticed the pink areas are low-populated industrial areas, airports, oil refineries, at least in the southern portion of LA County.


Here's the Bay Area:


Notice SFO's "political leanings."


Here's California, divided up by county:


When you compare the out of state counties bordering California, it looks like California is surrounded by a sea of Republicans, even moreso than California's Central Valley.

Even the Pacific Northwest, which people seem to tout as very liberal, looks quite Republican when you break it down by county:


Only the largest cities of the PNW are liberal.
__________________
"I guess the only time people think about injustice is when it happens to them."

~ Charles Bukowski

Last edited by sopas ej; Sep 30, 2022 at 11:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 9:42 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.