PHILADELPHIA | 1001 S. Broad Street Phase I | 180 FT | 14 FLOORS - Page 9

Kidphilly · #**161** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 5:25 PM**

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This continues to seem entirely backwards to me. If big chain retail is going to go here (which I think is his street-level plan), I suppose that they might generate some traffic for the sky-village. However, I think that big chain retail would easily draw customers upstairs on its own. Then, at street level, small retail would see not only traffic from the big boys upstairs, but their own traffic just due to visibility/accessibility.

agreed, move the boxes up one level (could easily be accessed by an escalator or even direct parking access). Trim the base, at more smaller retail on the street. If he wants the roof top so badly add a few restaurants/bars and a pool there. The roof top village will look like Siberia if built.

Also the plan could have some diagonal feature on the roof and connect with Broad and say 13th an Carpenter creating less of wall impact and more connection to the neighborhood though still don't think people will go to a roof top village there is not a retail draw of the types to support it here IMHO. Big boxes could however or even a movie theater.

iheartphilly · #**162** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

This continues to seem entirely backwards to me. If big chain retail is going to go here (which I think is his street-level plan), I suppose that they might generate some traffic for the sky-village. However, I think that big chain retail would easily draw customers upstairs on its own. Then, at street level, small retail would see not only traffic from the big boys upstairs, but their own traffic just due to visibility/accessibility.

Bart needs a lesson in retailing, hence the term "window shopping." Earth to Bart, Earth to Bart, please come back to reality.

Knight Hospitaller · #**163** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 6:22 PM**

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Bart needs a lesson in retailing, hence the term "window shopping." Earth to Bart, Earth to Bart, please come back to reality.

He's a visionary. He's probably anticipating flying cars and hover-boards by several decades.

boxbot · #**164** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 8:14 PM**

More new renders!

Knight Hospitaller · #**165** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 8:56 PM**

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More new renders!

Philly Fan · #**166** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 9:02 PM**

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More new renders!

Ratta roy, roxrot!

wanderer34 · #**167** Posted **Mar 24, 2016, 9:28 PM**

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This has been resubmitted for April CDR Review

Looks like the tower lost some of it's heft along Carpenter Street and added the heft back to the Broad Street frontage as well as the stairs along Washington Ave being redesigned as you guys already pointed out. Height is still the same at 34 floors and 426 feet tall.

CDR submission also claims:
~1000 residential units
~143,000 square feet of retail
~25,000 square feet of office space

Images from the CDR submission:

PDF:
http://www.phila.gov/CityPlanning/pr...6_Complete.pdf

I've alway felt that the current site of Broad and Washington was the perfect site for a high-rise residential site for South Philly. Especially considering that South Philly does need some considerable height, and the fact that you have bus and subway connections nearby, as well as about a mile to Center City, and close to University City and Templetown.

This proposal practically supersedes even my wildest imagination for what a residential project means for South Philly. I hope South Philly can add a few more high rise proposals in the near future. And the ACC was the best proposal that was never built in Philadelphia!!!

Arch+Eng · #**168** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 1:28 PM**

This forum has a group think mentality. If a tenured poster does not like a building. Everyone one does not like the building..Stop Bitching and moaning. BUILD THIS!

McBane · #**169** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 1:31 PM**

Agreed. And as I've said before, even if the city gives the okay on the rooftop shopping village, it won't happen if retailers don't sign on to this unproven and unorthodox setup. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it gets reconfigured after feedback from retailers. Bart could give a damn what we think.

1487 · #**170** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 6:33 PM**

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This forum has a group think mentality. If a tenured poster does not like a building. Everyone one does not like the building..Stop Bitching and moaning. BUILD THIS!

I much prefer the current vacant lot. I say let it sit like that for another 10 years until we get a design that I personally approve.

boxbot · #**171** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Arch+Eng

This forum has a group think mentality. If a tenured poster does not like a building. Everyone one does not like the building..Stop Bitching and moaning. BUILD THIS!

Exactly. This forum is a virtual kumbaya circle of perpetual agreement and harmony.

Baconboy007 · #**172** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by boxbot

Exactly. This forum is a virtual kumbaya circle of perpetual agreement and harmony.

except when it comes to Wendy's.

City Wide · #**173** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1487

I much prefer the current vacant lot. I say let it sit like that for another 10 years until we get a design that I personally approve.

Are your views just because of the 'village', or the project as a whole? Meaning if the village got dropped would you be ok with this plan?

TempleGuy1000 · #**174** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 7:49 PM**

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Exactly. This forum is a virtual kumbaya circle of perpetual agreement and harmony.

I have came around on my position on the Target behind the Barnes and will keep my promise of buying socks there once it is open.

Can someone tell me which way the proposed rooftop is facing? I would it would be towards Center City and put a restaurant up there a la the Bok High School.

boxbot · #**175** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 7:55 PM**

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i have came around on my position on the target behind the barnes and will keep my promise of buying socks there once it is open.

No. You shut up.

Parkway · #**176** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by TempleGuy1000

I have came around on my position on the Target behind the Barnes and will keep my promise of buying socks there once it is open.

Can someone tell me which way the proposed rooftop is facing? I would it would be towards Center City and put a restaurant up there a la the Bok High School.

One of the many problems with the village is that is faces south so it has no real views. Additionally this requires the highrise to be massed along the north side of the property in order for the village to get sunlight.

My issue with the village more than anything is that it is preventing the project from being remassed in a way that alleviates some of the near neighbors gripes about the project.

Other than that I love the density of both the residential and retail components of this project.

Knight Hospitaller · #**177** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1487

I much prefer the current vacant lot. I say let it sit like that for another 10 years until we get a design that I personally approve.

I don't think people are saying "my way or the highway." I'd love to see this built, even if I think it's stupid. More to the point, I think the stupid fixation on the sky village is likely to delay or kill this project. The market will decide whether Blatstein can sell this, but needing so many variances on a CMX-5 lot (which seem driven by the village folly) is ridiculous (and therefore the market may never have a chance to enter the picture).

1487 · #**178** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 12:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by City Wide

Are your views just because of the 'village', or the project as a whole? Meaning if the village got dropped would you be ok with this plan?

I wasn't serious.

hammersklavier · #**179** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Parkway

One of the many problems with the village is that is faces south so it has no real views. Additionally this requires the highrise to be massed along the north side of the property in order for the village to get sunlight.

My issue with the village more than anything is that it is preventing the project from being remassed in a way that alleviates some of the near neighbors gripes about the project.

Other than that I love the density of both the residential and retail components of this project.

Thank you.

Larry King · #**180** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 9:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Parkway

One of the many problems with the village is that is faces south so it has no real views. Additionally this requires the highrise to be massed along the north side of the property in order for the village to get sunlight.

My issue with the village more than anything is that it is preventing the project from being remassed in a way that alleviates some of the near neighbors gripes about the project.

Other than that I love the density of both the residential and retail components of this project.

Facing south east means it gets great sun.

Sun vs views? I choose sun every time personally