noirish Los Angeles

[August-Marathon]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'll post this real quick(ly)

'mystery' location.



UNTITLED - but the street sign says Pacific Coast Highway. / from the Los Angeles Documentary Project. [1980]

This PROJECT

See if you can solve it by the time I get to Illinois.

Re: 'Mystery' location. The location is adjacent 1729 E Pacific Coast Hwy, Wilimington, CA near the i/s of Alameda St. It appears the corner restaurant is gone and an automobile junkyard has replaced it. The big clue, Paramount Forge, is extant on E. Colon St to the north.

[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

And from HossC's post 31591 (2015)


I'm not sure if this location was ever found....

I am trying to think of neighborhoods and cities that have streets on a grade as steep as we see here. Hermosa Beach came to mind, but the housing there is almost entirely post-WWII. The Perry Mason dwellings are obviously older than that. Silverlake/Echo Park maybe? San Pedro is another possibility.

[robeach11]

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

Hokey smoke, I hope someone can track down the locations of Hall's and the Hollywood Ice Cream Co! Have we previously seen any street lights like the one in that first image? And those smog-laden hills! Fascinating stuff.

Hollywood Ice Cream Company was located at 631 North La Cienega.
It was recently Le Petit Bistro, which I believe closed in July after 25 years.

[ethereal_reality]

FOUND

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA

PCH and Alameda in Willmington. There's an overpass for PCH there now that goes over Alameda and the Alameda corridor. Paramount Forge is still there.

Originally Posted by August-Marathon

Re: 'Mystery' location. The location is adjacent 1729 E Pacific Coast Hwy, Wilimington, CA near the i/s of Alameda St.
It appears the corner restaurant is gone and an automobile junkyard has replaced it. The big clue, Paramount Forge, is extant on E. Colon St to the north.

Thanks you two! I appreciate the help.





Here's another one from the survey project.

"Signal Hill, Willow and Cherry, Facing Southwest"......from the Long Beach, California Documentary Survey Project, 1980.

ENLARGED

Judy Fiskin / SAAM (zoom available)

This photographer is known for her small photographs. This one is 2 1/2 x 2 3/8 in.

Gelatin silver print on paper mounted on paperboard.



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[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

I am trying to think of neighborhoods and cities that have streets on a grade as steep as we see here. Hermosa Beach came to mind, but the housing there is almost entirely post-WWII. The Perry Mason dwellings are obviously older than that. Silverlake/Echo Park maybe? San Pedro is another possibility.

I'll add Eagle Rock north of Colorado.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Hoss, thanks for the information on the that church looming in the background. I notice it has a German name on the map....Salem's Kirche and a Elementa(?)schaft (school)

&...it had slipped my mind that the Ponet Apts./Ponet Sq. Hotel anchored the southeast corner of Fiesta Park. I mean..jeeze.

The writing's clearer on this alternative 1909 map. Note that this map doesn't show the building along the side of Fiesta Park, next to the Ponet Square Apartments.

The CDs between 1908 and 1911 list the church as something like "Salem's Church of the Evangelical Assn (German) S Hope ne cor 12th". The German on the map is "Salem's Kirche der Ev[angelisch] Gemeinschaft", which is pretty much the same thing - "Salem's Church of the Evangelical (or Protestant) Community".


Library of Congress

[HossC]

Originally Posted by robeach11

Hollywood Ice Cream Company was located at 631 North La Cienega.
It was recently Le Petit Bistro, which I believe closed in July after 25 years.

That's a location we visited back in April when Scott Charles was looking for Pennyfeathers.

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Does anyone remember the name of this cafe that used to be on La Cienega Blvd, between Santa Monica and Melrose, on the east side of the street?

This would be late '80s. It was a sit-down cafe, with waiters and menus. It had normal tables, no couches or booths or anything like that. It was open 24 hours, so my then-girlfriend and I would often end up there after a night out. We'd usually be there between 2 and 3 AM. We'd order espressos and, I think, a side order of french fries.

Radio DJ Rodney Bingenheimer was always there, every time, sitting alone at a table near the rear of the restaurant.

...

This Le Petit Bistro may be the same building:



This was one of the very few 24/7 places in LA at the time, so it should(?) be easy for LA noirishers to remember.

So this was where the Hollywood Ice Cream Co and the West Coast Camera Center were in 'T-Men'. I can't see any sign of the Hall's building, and the aerial views I found aren't detailed enough to pinpoint it. I did, however, take a look up the street at the corner of Melrose Place.


GSV

Although the windows are different, I think that this may be the building from the right of the screengrab below (it shares other design features).

Originally Posted by HossC

[GaylordWilshire]

Perry Mason non-mystery


Big Paul in his '58 Bird (which had to be more comfortable than the v cramped '57 he once drove) checking things out at 1267 Elysian Park Ave--which is now 1267 Vin Scully Ave. Three of the four apartment buildings are still there, but the street has been much widened. (From "The Case of the Garrulous Gambler," first aired on Oct 17, 1959.)








CBS/GSV

[Martin Pal]

What year was that episode?

[ethereal_reality]

Interesting post GW. -good sleutjing (Swedish for sleuthing)


I couldn't help but notice the exterior sun-visor on this parked car [shown below]


perry mason

I don't believe I have ever seen anything like it.

I'm curious; was it adjustable from the interior (via a lever)
or did you have to stick your arm out the window? (if you were driving, of course)

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[GaylordWilshire]

ER-- Well, this didn't require much sleutjing--the address is on the front of the building. As for the De Soto's visor-- such accessories were fairly common into the mid-'50s. They seemed to have disappeared after the '56 model year-- tinted glass had become more common, soon with the dark band of tint across the top. If you saw one of these, you knew an old man drove it. (Not much fonder of them than I am of Continental kits.) This one looks like it was hinged, but I'm pretty sure they were all stationary.

Cars with such carbuncles often had one of these on the dashboard--a traffic light viewer, a prism so you wouldn't have to crane your neck:


(The car is a 49 or 50 Ford)

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

What year was that episode?

"The Case of the Garrulous Gambler" was first aired on Oct 17, 1959.

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

ER-- Well, this didn't require much sleutjing--the address is on the front of the building. As for the De Soto's visor-- such accessories were fairly common into the mid-'50s. They seemed to have disappeared after the '56 model year-- tinted glass had become more common, soon with the dark band of tint across the top. If you saw one of these, you knew an old man drove it. (Not much fonder of them than I am of Continental kits.) This one looks like it was hinged, but I'm pretty sure they were all stationary.

Cars with such carbuncles often had one of these on the dashboard--a traffic light viewer, a prism so you wouldn't have to crane your neck:


(The car is a 49 or 50 Ford)

My parents had a 48-49 (or somewhere in there) Pontiac and it had one of those shades. I don't remember for sure if it was adjustable since I was very small and would not have been adjusting it. I don't think that it adjusted. It also had a Brody Knob (probably before they were illegal)

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

[…]
Here's another one from the survey project.

"Signal Hill, Willow and Cherry, Facing Southwest"......from the Long Beach, California Documentary Survey Project, 1980.

ENLARGED

Judy Fiskin / SAAM (zoom available)

This photographer is known for her small photographs. This one is 2 1/2 x 2 3/8 in.

Gelatin silver print on paper mounted on paperboard.

____

e_r, the above feels like my backyard to me: Both my parents worked (at different places) within about a block and a half of here in the era 1950s-1980, so I know the area as it was then pretty well.

The locale is completely changed nowadays (you no longer feel as if you're in the middle of an oilfield):


gsv, southwest from the corner of Willow and Cherry

[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by HossC

GSV
Although the windows are different, I think that this may be the building from the right of the screengrab below (it shares other design features).

I'm sure you are right, Hoss. The first window left front (second floor) shifted a little back matches. The angular window and the roof in two sections too.

[Lomara]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Interesting post GW. -good sleutjing (oops. that Swedish for sleuthing)


I couldn't help but notice the exterior sun-visor on this parked car [shown below]


perry mason

I don't believe I have ever seen anything like it.

I'm curious; was it adjustable from the interior (via a lever)
or did you have to stick your arm out the window? (if you were driving, of course)

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Cars with these visors show up now and again at the local car show in my 'hood


Untitled by Kimberly, on Flickr


Untitled by Kimberly, on Flickr



Untitled by Kimberly, on Flickr

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

More Perry Mason


I don't think any series recycled sets, cars, or actors more than Perry Mason-- I haven't seen all espisodes, but here is a house I hadn't seen used before, and I pegged it for a real one, not one on a backlot.... Only the front door is shown, but the style and the number were good clues to finding the location.

I have not seen enough Perry Mason episodes to compare but I love The Rockford Files and Jim might just give Perry a run for his money. There were numerous actors who played Jim's nemesis in one episode and a pal in another.
As far as cars go, there are a few that pop up in a lot of episodes but one seemed to show up in just about every other one. A silver Chevy Vega that was said to be owned by one of the crew members is the culprit. Here's just a taste, with a few mystery locations if anybody feels so inclined.








That looks like Rocky's GMC truck there

All images from The Official James Garner Fan Page.
https://www.facebook.com/TOJGFP/post...9506528407880/
I'm grateful that somebody else went to the trouble of compiling all of these and more screengrabs.

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Bristolian

I have not seen enough Perry Mason episodes to compare but I love The Rockford Files and Jim might just give Perry a run for his money. There were numerous actors who played Jim's nemesis in one episode and a pal in another.
As far as cars go, there are a few that pop up in a lot of episodes but one seemed to show up in just about every other one. A silver Chevy Vega that was said to be owned by one of the crew members is the culprit. Here's just a taste, with a few mystery locations if anybody feels so inclined.


That looks like Rocky's GMC truck there

Maybe the crew member with the '53 Merc seen in Perry Mason finally traded it in for the Vega seen in Rockford. As for the locations...I'll go for the easy one first...the intersection of 5th Avenue and W 25th St, looking east...

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Bristolian

This one shows Lucille Avenue looking across Walgrove Avenue toward Mark Twain Middle School. The location is given in comments on the screengrab's source page.


GSV

[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by Lomara

Cars with these visors show up now and again at the local car show in my 'hood

Absolutely gorgeous. Thanks for sharing this. I've always loved vintage cars with exterior visors.

Also thanks to HossC and everyone for helping track down the T-Men locations. Much appreciated. Guess I need to pick out another film noir with lots of LA location shots.