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Old Posted May 4, 2008, 6:11 AM
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Well, I think it's way past time for San Francisco to develop a real skyline! I hope the proposed structures get built.
I'm new to this forum. I have watched the city's skyline rise from the 435 ft Russ Building all the way to the new Rincon Centre Tower(s)-and now I am waiting for the City to fill in the huge gap between those 2 buildings.
We are more than ready for at least 1 supertall building!
Does anyone know if the Renzo Piano Towers have a chance of being built?
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I havent been watching the skyline grow for anywhere near as long as you have, but I'm a fan of architecture and the recent wave of construction and proposals have me wishing to see a supertall in our city.

As for Piano's towers, not much is known except for the proposed heights and floor number of the two tallest. We're hoping the new plan for Transbay does not reduce them in height if they're not on the chopping block already.
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Old Posted May 5, 2008, 4:56 PM
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One of the diagrams in SFView's excellent post in the Transbay thread shows Piano's towers at a max height of 800 feet. So, they will be knocked down by at least a third.
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One of the diagrams in SFView's excellent post in the Transbay thread shows Piano's towers at a max height of 800 feet. So, they will be knocked down by at least a third.
That was an interesting post. However, I'd stop short of saying the towers "will" be knocked down. The truth is there is so much we have yet to know, I'd just say there is a chance it will get knocked down.
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Old Posted May 6, 2008, 3:08 PM
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Fair enough. This all has to go through public comment and be approved by the BOS. I just don't see that process increasing the height of anything; quite the opposite actually. But SFView also highlighted the part where heights can be stretched beyond these limits through semi-transparent crowns, spires and other features like wind turbines, so you never know. You're absolutely right, nothing is definite yet.
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I would be very interested in seeing some proposals with such aesthetics as spires and transparent crowns, particularly because as far as I know, we have very few if any in the city. I was thinking that maybe because some of these are green proposals, that they would be exempted from some of our limits.
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Old Posted May 7, 2008, 3:59 AM
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Another One Kearny update:


It seems like they were moving right along, but have slowed somewhat recently. I'm sure grafting a modern building onto a 100+ year old building isn't easy.

Here it is with some of the neighbors:
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I think we've pretty much overlooked this one, probably because it's in the 'Loin:

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Tenderloin long needed Salvation Army center
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Tuesday, May 6, 2008



Whenever a plan for new housing or facilities comes up in San Francisco's poorest downtown neighborhood, it seems the process deteriorates into local politics, special interest groups and petty bickering.

But not this time. The Salvation Army is putting the finishing touches on a remarkable 135,380-square-foot housing and community center, which will offer a huge gymnasium, pool, workout facility, game room, rock-climbing wall and even a dance studio for the use of Tenderloin kids and residents. Next to it is Railton Place, a 110-unit affordable housing residence.

The entire facility, which will be dedicated on June 27, is at 240 Turk St. That's smack in the middle of one of the city's most troubled neighborhoods.

"We hope to be an island in a sea of shark-infested waters," said Maj. George Rocheleau, a Salvation Army officer who will be running the community center. "Don't mean to sound so dramatic, but I think the analogy is appropriate based on the reality of this at times being a very dangerous neighborhood."

Dangerous at times? No offense to the major, but that might be a little optimistic. Strolling up Turk Street in the last three weeks I've seen a guy nonchalantly puffing on a crack pipe, a near fistfight and open drug dealing.

In such an environment, the idea of creating a secure, supervised play and learning facility is too attractive to quibble about. Even influential activists like Randy Shaw - who, as the head of the Tenderloin Housing Clinic, opposed some proposed developments in the area - praises the project.

"It is a very, very, very positive development," Shaw said. "Do you know how long we've been saying we need a facility like this?"

So is this the beginning of a new age of cooperation and camaraderie in the Tenderloin?

Probably not. As promising as the Salvation Army project is, there are some significant reasons why it sailed through the often-rocky process unscathed.

"It is still a slow process," said Don Falk, executive director of the Tenderloin Neighborhood Development Association, a nonprofit group that works to provide affordable housing. "But I don't have any doubt that theirs was faster than others."

There are several reasons. The Salvation Army already owned the land, for one, bypassing a land-buying process that can take a year or more, Falk said. Also, the organization has a proven track record of running programs and took the time to meeting with neighborhood groups early in the planning.

Oh, and several million dollars of private money didn't hurt.

The $57 million community center and housing unit was made possible by a gift from the late McDonald's heir Joan Kroc. Kroc, who died of brain cancer in 2003, arranged to donate about $1.5 billion to the Salvation Army to build community centers across the country. The first was in her hometown, San Diego. The San Francisco Kroc center will be the second to open, followed by 29 in other states. (However, Kroc stipulated that the local chapters would have to raise the money to maintain and run the centers on their own.)

In San Francisco, it is always better to have big buckets of private money. Falk said a typical publicly financed housing project would have several different funding sources, each with its own agenda and stipulations.

"Public money is highly scrutinized," Falk said. "For example, a private developer can basically make a phone call and hire an architect. If we hire an architect in 90 days, we're doing it fast."

As for the housing component, Falk said the project benefited from the neighborhood's diversity. The 110-unit Railton Place will offer 40 permanent apartments for the chronically homeless who meet the Salvation Army criteria, meaning that they are actively working toward rehabilitating their lives. There will be another 28 units for homeless veterans and 27 for ex-foster kids who are sent out on their own at the age of 18.

Falk said concentrating so many people with such problems in a single facility would create a huge outcry in most neighborhoods.

"Here, these are just our folks," he said.

An important component of Railton Place is that most units are set up for "transitional" needs. Residents must have completed sobriety and vocational courses and are expected to move through the program and out of the housing in two years.

Sounds pretty good doesn't it?

"All things taken together," said David Seward, chief financial officer of nearby UC Hastings College of the Law, "it is clearly a great project."

So everyone is happy, right? Not entirely. Shaw says this is nice, but thinks the media and the public will continue to focus on what he thinks is a mistaken impression of the neighborhood.

"If something good happens in the Tenderloin, no one even knows about it," Shaw said. "Murders are the big thing in the Tenderloin."

So much for the new era of goodwill.

C.W. Nevius' column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.
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^^^Architect's rendering:


Source: http://hcarchitecture.com/pages/salv...et%20elev.html
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BT - I posted the Nevius article and some shots I took in the SF Construction tidbits thread. I'm never quite sure when to put something here versus there.
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that rendering makes the TL look quite nice!
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Architecturally, the TL IS getting quite nice. There's just an amazing number of new 8-10 story buildings going up there, mostly being put up by non-profits, often with money from the developers affordable housing contributions. In terms of the building stock, the area is being dramatically upgraded. Unfortunately, the human denizens one finds on the street corners, not so much.
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BT - I posted the Nevius article and some shots I took in the SF Construction tidbits thread. I'm never quite sure when to put something here versus there.
Me too, but I have made a personal decision that all these new midrise buildings are more significant to San Francisco, at least in total, than the term "tidbit" would warrant and so I put them here unless some authority figure demands otherwise. They are changing the character of Van Ness and the T-Loin.
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^^^Works for me. I'll post my photos here as well then:




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I tried taking a couple of skyline shots today but they didn't come out too well. But since it's a view most people don't see too often, I'll post them anyway.

Here's the whole enchilada:


The western end of the above:


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They didnt come out too well? They look pretty good to me!
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Those shots of the Salvation Army project are really nice and I can't see why they don't belong right here (the skyline shots are nice too, of course).
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They just aren't as crisp as I wanted. Something about how I have the camera set-up and being on a boat is making me lose the sharpness to pick-up a lot of the details. I had some great angles on the GGB too, but they all came out horrible. It was such a nice, clear morning, I thought they would come out better. I'll keep trying though. I only have every day to experiment!
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wow. nice photos pg. i love that view makes since it makes our skyline look very long
finally embarcadero center is starting to disappear into the woodwork, tho we need more highrises on the northern edge too
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They just aren't as crisp as I wanted. Something about how I have the camera set-up and being on a boat is making me lose the sharpness to pick-up a lot of the details. I had some great angles on the GGB too, but they all came out horrible. It was such a nice, clear morning, I thought they would come out better. I'll keep trying though. I only have every day to experiment!
Those are still very nice photo captures, even if a bit out of focus.

You might already know this, but see if your camera has different shutter priority, aperture priority, full manual, or full auto settings. Either try a faster shutter speed, smaller aperture (larger F-stop number), or a balance of both; if full auto doesn't work for you. It is also harder to focus the more you zoom closer. If your camera is digital, try setting your captures at the finest resolution possible. If your camera has autofocus, give your camera some time to focus before fully pressing the shutter button. If you can change your ISO settings, set it to higher number (see http://www.photoxels.com/tutorial_iso.html).
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...If you find the camera is using a shutter speed that is too slow (1/60 sec. and slower) to handhold the camera steady and shake-free (thus resulting in blurred pictures), and you cannot open up the aperture anymore, and you do not have a tripod or other means to hold the camera steady, and you want to capture the action, etc. etc. -- then you might select the next higher ISO which will then allow you to select a faster shutter speed.
If you don't have your camera manual and need to see it, try a search for it on the Internet.

Shooting more photos will increase your chances of getting more lucky shots, especially in difficult situations.

It looks like you have a pretty fast shutter speed in one of your nice Salvation Army Center photos. There is a bird is frozen in flight!

Have fun, and thanks!

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Thanks everyone.

SFView - thanks for the great advice. I've upped the resolution and will try a pre-set mode for fast action and camera movement (it's tailored for shooting kids, who as you know don't always stop for you to take a shot ).

I can go full manual and change my ISO. If the above doesn't do the trick, I'll try that too. My wife also warned me about the zoom. Unfortunately, I can't always physically move closer to my subject, but I'll try using it minimally.
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