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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 2:55 AM
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I think Mr. Downtown's ideas are great. If I could amend one major add-on to it I would extend that C-Line to make a large north downtown circle loop. Extending north in Streeterville, turning west down Chicago Ave, head over to the future Goose Island transitway spur to Lincoln Yards that then heads back towards the Clinton/Metra Stations.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 3:16 PM
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While Lincoln Yards won't have immediate integration into the L, they are going to move the Clybourn Metra station into the development, extend the 606 trail, and offer shuttle busses to the Blue Line (maybe other lines too?). I would say that's about the best Lincoln Yards could do. With the Casino coming, and other larger developments in the future filling into the North Branch, CTA may need to start thinking about the best ways to move people around the area. I still maintain that I would rather see resources being put into BRT and vastly improving the ped/cycle routes going East-West across the River/Kennedy in that area. It really is a huge divider.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 4:03 PM
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So if the RLE goes through, does that make the 95th super station kind of unnecessary? Presumably there would be far fewer bus lines using it as a transfer point.

It seems like upgrades to existing tracks and signals in and around the loop would go a long way to speed up everyone's commute, including those that would benefit from the RLE. It's still a major choke-point that adds 5-10 min onto most trips unnecessarily. And we're in a moment when CTA needs to woo the choice-riders back onto the system both for revenue and safety reasons.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 6:02 PM
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It might be short-sighted not to build two tracks on Day 1, but it won't be difficult to double-track it later if they want to run commuter service.

-The ramp structure is above ground and will mostly be supported on wide straddle bents over other tracks below. I imagine they will design these straddle bents to support a 2nd track in the future; the cost to do so is minimal. Railroad structures often include provisions for future 2nd track.
It would obviously make sense to make accommodations for an eventual second track, but I'd rather see it confirmed in writing, or at least verbally confirmed - rather than just imagining it to be so.

Usually diagrams like this that have made accomodations for a second track, will have a dashed line marked "Future Second Track" indicating that second track's future alignment. I haven't seen any such marking on any of the diagrams for this project yet. It would be comforting to see *any* positive indication whatsoever that they've thought ahead about where it might go, and how to build it without massive disruptions in the future.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 6:42 PM
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So if the RLE goes through, does that make the 95th super station kind of unnecessary? Presumably there would be far fewer bus lines using it as a transfer point.
The 95th project was a Hail Mary by Rahm to win votes in the Black community, either because he wanted to cancel the RLE project or because he knew it would take decades to get funding. However, we don't know how CTA will adjust their bus service after RLE opens. Probably like 5 routes that currently terminate at 95th will be rerouted, but that still leaves another 8-10 routes. They could potentially use any leftover bus bays for intercity buses; Greyhound already stops there.

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Usually diagrams like this that have made accomodations for a second track, will have a dashed line marked "Future Second Track" indicating that second track's future alignment. I haven't seen any such marking on any of the diagrams for this project yet. It would be comforting to see *any* positive indication whatsoever that they've thought ahead about where it might go, and how to build it without massive disruptions in the future.
I wouldn't base too much speculation on one diagram from a grant application. They don't have any funding for real design or engineering yet; this diagram was probably put together by a planning intern.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 4:05 PM
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The Chicago region (comparatively speaking) is shrinking rather than growing; we don't really need any rail extensions. We do need to make better use of what we have, by integrating fares between Metra and CTA, and by putting new office and residential growth next to the stations we already have, rather than letting developers build where there's cheap land but no transit (Lincoln Yards, I'm looking at you).

So were I in charge, the first thing I'd do is make Metra more of a regional rail system rather than a bunch of commuter trains. I've sketched the basic concept of a Chicago S-Bahn that would have frequent service all day long. Obviously, this is pointless if it's not fare-integrated with CTA to get South Siders to job centers north of the river or in the Medical District.



Second, I think the movement of the office core that's already taken place justifies a Larrabee-Clinton Subway.


Thank you, Mr. Downtown.

What I find frustrating is that I think a lot of people look at your maps and say to themselves
“I drive to work; I hardly ever take mass transit; This looks like an expensive plan and I don’t see any benefit in it for me; So I don’t support it.”
But think about it. In Chicago there are about 1.7 million mass transit trips every day (750,000 CTA bus, 700,000 CTA rail and 250,000 METRA). What would happen if one day, the whole system shut down and most of the mass transit trips became car trips? Traffic would gridlock, commute times would skyrocket and it would be a complete disaster.

My point is that everybody benefits from a good mass transit system – both the people who use it and the people who don’t.
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