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Old Posted Jul 29, 2022, 7:48 PM
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I'm fine with an offshoot along the 1-5, as long as it's just that, an offshoot. After phase 1 and 2 are that could be built. But the first phase absolutely must run through the large central valley cities
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2022, 6:48 PM
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That Vox video also completely ignores that the Central Valley on its own is larger than 30 US states population wise and would be quite a large state separately too. So there's plenty of need for rail services in that part of the state on its own and having it form the backbone of the HSR corridor is just the right way to future proof the project.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2022, 11:57 AM
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California high-speed rail wins $25 million U.S. grant, seeks $1.3 billion more

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"WASHINGTON, Aug 11 (Reuters) - California's High-Speed Rail Authority said Thursday it won $25 million in new federal grant funding to advance its project beyond 119 miles under construction, while pursuing an additional $1.3 billion award..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cal...re-2022-08-11/
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Elon Musk’s Hyperloop idea was just a ruse to kill California’s high-speed rail project

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/ed...264451076.html
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2022, 9:32 PM
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Elon Musk’s Hyperloop idea was just a ruse to kill California’s high-speed rail project

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Not surprising. Such a duplicitous spaz.
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Old Posted Sep 2, 2022, 8:14 PM
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Construction Progress

Just looked over the drone videos on the Drone Zone's youtube channel found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/DRONEZONEFlyovers/videos

There is a lot of activity on the Hanford Viaduct, and even those videos are a month old. I was really surprised at the the progress on Veterans Blvd in Fresno (It's called Golden State Blvd realignment on the youtube channel). The bridge over the freight lines and high speed rail is done (and has been done for a while, but there is now LOTS of work in progress for the overpass of the new Golden State Blvd. realignment and the rest of the interchange over the freeway. Also noticed in another video that the freight line has finally been moved so construction can be completed next to State Route 180 under the rail spur and the canal for the trench. All in all there is quite a bit of progress on many bridges and structures that I hadn't seen. Well worth the view.

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Old Posted Sep 2, 2022, 8:48 PM
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That Drone Zone channel does some good videos even if theres no narration and the public domain music is just dreadful. I've beeen watching those whenever they come out to scratch my itch between Four Foot corridor tours. Speaking of which that guy hasnt uploaded a video in ages.
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Yeah the four foot had really high quality vids.
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The Four Foot recently replied to someone on Twitter and said he wasn't sure he'd be able to make it to California this year. (He's a freight train engineer, and that job is not very compatible with having spare time, from what I hear!) I believe his last batch of CaHSR videos were recorded last August.

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^ Yeah, I figured his real job as an engineer has limited his ability to do youtube. His raw insight into what it's really like to be on a train crew is pretty illuminating. Certainly strips much of the romance of railroad lore out of it. The modern Class 1 railroad work culture sounds terrible... Just look at what was in the news recently about the potential for a nationwide strike amongst rail workers to protest the unlivability of it all.
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"the design for the nation’s most ambitious infrastructure project was never based on the easiest or most direct route.
Instead, the train’s path out of Los Angeles was diverted across a second mountain range to the rapidly growing suburbs of the Mojave Desert,
a route whose most salient advantage appeared to be that it ran through the district of a powerful Los Angeles county supervisor.
The dogleg through the desert was only one of several times over the years when the project fell victim to political forces that have added billions of dollars in costs and called into question whether the project can ever be finished."
NewYorkTimes By Ralph Vartabedian Oct. 9, 2022
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Ralph Vartabedian really does hate high-speed rail. I guess we wasn't content just righting his anti-rail screeds for the LA Times.
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His points all seem valid. And French TGV authorities made the same points, as did the original founders of CAHSR. If you want HSR in the U.S. you want this project to work. Why do all the transit experts say this project is madness?

CAHSR is pretty much the first project of its kind, anywhere. It started as a standard HSR project but has now morphed into a weird wildly overengineered commuter rail/jobs/economic justice project. The pronouncements are bizarre. They actually believe that routing an LA-SF line through random population centers strengthens the project, as if a NY-Atlanta flight benefits by flying over Charlotte.

The alignment is completely fu----ed up. The motivations are all wrong. They claim the poorest and most job-desperate areas are the highest priorities. If you take them at their word, rural Mississippi would be the best U.S. location for HSR. There will probably never be a complete LA-SF HSR line.
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His points all seem valid. And French TGV authorities made the same points, as did the original founders of CAHSR. If you want HSR in the U.S. you want this project to work. Why do all the transit experts say this project is madness?

CAHSR is pretty much the first project of its kind, anywhere. It started as a standard HSR project but has now morphed into a weird commuter rail/jobs/economic justice project. The pronouncements are bizarre. They actually believe that routing an LA-SF line through random population centers strengthens the project, as if a NY-Atlanta flight benefits by flying over Charlotte.

The alignment is completely fu----ed up. The motivations are all wrong. There will probably never be a complete LA-SF HSR line.
Lol.

"They actually believe that routing an LA-SF line through random population centers strengthens the project, as if a NY-Atlanta flight benefits by flying over Charlotte."

You do realize that part of the reason this project even got started was because of promises to better connect inland California to the Bay Area and LA Metro right?
And yes, it does strengthen the project.

"The alignment is completely fu----ed up. The motivations are all wrong. There will probably never be a complete LA-SF HSR line"

The alignment is fine. Explained what you mean by motivations. And the last sentence is just nonsense.
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You do realize that part of the reason this project even got started was because of promises to better connect inland California to the Bay Area and LA Metro right?
And yes, it does strengthen the project.
No.

The project was an attempt to connect LA to SF. It had nothing to do with a bullet train to Bakersfield, or any of the later nonsense. That was all political horsetrading and bizarre mission creep.

CAHSR was a response to the flight congestion between LA and SF, and an attempt to put airline passengers on trains. It had nothing to do with the Central Valley, or equity, or lifting areas out of poverty, etc. It should have no purpose but connecting LA to SF, like every other bullet train on earth. Connecting transit-oriented population centers in minimal time. Not serving as a jobs program, economic development program, and all the other crap.

The newer angle is that's a superfast commuter train, basically. The original LA-SF airline killing objective (the objective of every other HSR line) has been thrown out. Given that HSR has insane costs, the only way it functions for commuters is by massively subsidizing tickets. And it cannot simultaneously function as a commuter line and business line for long-distance passengers.
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Oh jeez here we go again. Notice Grouchy Ralphy makes no mention of the fact the Grapevine mountain crossing was deemed seismically problematic due to the angle the fault would be crossed.
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Crawford, your comments must be some elaborate joke at that's going over my head, because if they aren't then they're just complete nonsense.
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Crawford, your comments must be some elaborate joke at that's going over my head, because if they aren't then they're just complete nonsense.
Read the article. I'm not saying anything that isn't being said by French rail authorities, outside rail experts, or the original leadership of CAHSR.

The project is trying to satisfy a bunch of conflicting objectives. There's only one objective - taking LA-SF plane ridership.
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If you take them at their word, rural Mississippi would be the best U.S. location for HSR.
If Memphis was a metro of 10 million and Mobile was a metro of 15 million, don't you think Jackson and a few of the towns along the way would benefit from a stop?

I just think the bias against California's Central Valley is so strong that people aren't able to imagine it as anything other than what it is at present.
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There's only one objective - taking LA-SF plane ridership.

Lyon, France has a metro population of under 2 million. It's smaller than Sacramento. Every TGV train stops there.
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