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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 3:24 AM
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Nice! That's exactly what this corridor needs right now. Would be great to get something similar in other struggling commercial corridors. I think more local communities would start businesses if they had the access to the necessary resources.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 3:25 AM
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Nice! That's exactly what this corridor needs right now. Would be great to get something similar in other struggling commercial corridors. I think more local communities would start businesses if they had the access to the necessary resources.
Absolutely.
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462 Units + Retail Proposed on Delaware Ave Near Rivers Casino

That "driveaisle" surface parking is some anti-urban sunbelt city bullshit.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 5:58 PM
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That "driveaisle" surface parking is some anti-urban sunbelt city bullshit.
Yeup agreed
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 8:40 PM
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I was hoping for more frontage on Canal Street. I believe that street has the potential to become a destination if done right. I have alway enjoyed walking down the windy cobble stone street. Something innovative could have been done on both sides to activate that street as the focal point of redevelopment. I understand that the other side of the street would have to be a separate project, but this doesn't set a good example for the future development. I hope Canal Street isn't used essentially as an alley.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 9:45 PM
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I was hoping for more frontage on Canal Street. I believe that street has the potential to become a destination if done right. I have alway enjoyed walking down the windy cobble stone street. Something innovative could have been done on both sides to activate that street as the focal point of redevelopment. I understand that the other side of the street would have to be a separate project, but this doesn't set a good example for the future development. I hope Canal Street isn't used essentially as an alley.
Yep my thoughts exactly. I hope there is retail and outdoor dining areas along Canal. That cobblestone street is just begging to become a continuation of a great commercial district around the Fillmore, Goose Island and Punchline. Close the streets on Friday and Saturday night like 6th street in Austin.

Stone Street in NYC has always been something I wish Philly could pull off. Sansom between 15th and 18th has always seemed perfect for this but I'm not sure what to do about delivery trucks and trash. Chestnut between front and 2nd would be great as well.

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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 10:06 PM
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Agreed, I think Canal Street would be a great place to start from scratch. Something we do not have the opportunity to do frequently in a city as old as Philadelphia (and as resistant to change). Its only a matter of time before the rest of the waterfront is more populated to make up the foot traffic in the region.

Side note do we think the other two towers of Waterfront Square will ever be built?
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2020, 1:28 AM
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Agreed, I think Canal Street would be a great place to start from scratch. Something we do not have the opportunity to do frequently in a city as old as Philadelphia (and as resistant to change). Its only a matter of time before the rest of the waterfront is more populated to make up the foot traffic in the region.

Side note do we think the other two towers of Waterfront Square will ever be built?
I believe they would now be subject to the cmx3 overlay.

I was in the zoom meeting for the Canal st project, the owner(future developer) of that big green lot just to the west was in it and sounds like they need the street open. But everyone requested they keep the cobblestone and make it a nice street and not just a back alley.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2020, 9:22 PM
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Excellent news at Broad and Spring Garden. It looks like Alterra has secured the $120m loan needed to proceed with the 410 unit project. Details and pictures on the Constructadelphia Instagram page.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCMWfJ_DXJB/

[IMG]410 Unit Broad And Spring Gardn Project by 700 Level, on Flickr[/IMG]
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I’d call that bad news actually
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I’d call that bad news actually
Yeah that size lot and location had honestly some of the highest potential in the city. Being right on the subway, there really should be a high rise here. Probably the only project that I would have liked COVID to have stalled until a better proposal came along.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2020, 4:40 AM
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Just a reminder of what was originally planned

510 N Broad Street 5 by

510 N Broad Street 6
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2020, 9:18 AM
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Just a reminder of what was originally planned

510 N Broad Street 5 by

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The saddest loss to me is the non residential uses. It's imperative that we start building more truly mixed use projects, especially near subway lines. We need more office space, whether that's business or doctors or lawyers or whatever, or we're risking building endless bedroom communities where everyone has to commute out for both jobs and services beyond restaurants or bars. To me that seems to be a consistent weakness in a lot of hot Philly neighborhoods

While it isn't the case here, I have the same thoughts every time an old factory lot gets an apartment building, when instead of providing space for jobs, it just provides housing for more people who need jobs.

Large lots are difficult to come by, so I wish these projects would have to incorporate some kind of office space. A majority of Philly is already set aside with small lots for housing.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2020, 2:26 PM
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That high rise is nicer looking for sure, but it's worth noting thst the planned low rise is 410 units. That's a lot of density and a lot more than many condo high rises offer. Just a reminder that the higher the building doesn't mean the greater the density. I do agree with the point about the need for more mixed use projects though.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2020, 2:49 PM
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We need more office space, whether that's business or doctors or lawyers or whatever, or we're risking building endless bedroom communities where everyone has to commute out for both jobs and services beyond restaurants or bars. To me that seems to be a consistent weakness in a lot of hot Philly neighborhoods
While I agree that mixed-use developelments are fundamental to long-term vibrancy and sustainability, the current pandemic is absolutely going to permanently alter demand for office space in the long-term.

Remote work will now be utilized for a much greater share of jobs on either a full- or part-time basis. That could actually end up still being a boon for Philly in the long-term, if it continues to play its cards well as being a city with top notch urban amenities with a fraction of the living costs to newly-remote workers from much pricier parts of the coasts. It would also eliminate the need for the all-too-common reverse commutes that you reference.

That's not to say office should be completely eliminated in new developments, but the last thing commercial corridors need is unused and useless space. That's even more damaging in the long-run. We just need more time to figure out the ideal ratios given demand, but no one knows what that will be until the COVID-19 dust settles.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2020, 1:55 AM
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Thanks all, I can't disagree with some of the comments about the Broad and Spring Garden projects. The original plans were definitely more attractive. But considering the one-two punch Philly is experiencing right now (COVID, social unrest), it is encouraging to see a project of this scale move forward. It shows confidence by some in the Philly's future rental market. And while it won't change the skyline, it moves a lot of people onto North Broad in and around the subway.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2020, 12:00 PM
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While I agree that mixed-use developelments are fundamental to long-term vibrancy and sustainability, the current pandemic is absolutely going to permanently alter demand for office space in the long-term.

Remote work will now be utilized for a much greater share of jobs on either a full- or part-time basis. That could actually end up still being a boon for Philly in the long-term, if it continues to play its cards well as being a city with top notch urban amenities with a fraction of the living costs to newly-remote workers from much pricier parts of the coasts. It would also eliminate the need for the all-too-common reverse commutes that you reference.

That's not to say office should be completely eliminated in new developments, but the last thing commercial corridors need is unused and useless space. That's even more damaging in the long-run. We just need more time to figure out the ideal ratios given demand, but no one knows what that will be until the COVID-19 dust settles.
I was thinking almost the same thing, but I was going to say expect less ground floor retail, especially outside of CC. There are already tons of recently built, empty retail spaces outside of the core. Considering where we are now, developers have little incentive to pack lower levels with retail space that is likely to sit empty. Its not just COVID, it's the transition to the amazon economy in general where its very difficult for small retail outlets to compete and survive. Food and gyms are really the only exception.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2020, 8:26 PM
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Look Out For Phase Two of Otto (Von) Brewerytown

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Old Posted Jul 7, 2020, 8:27 PM
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An Expected Change of Plans at 1525 N. American Street

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Old Posted Jul 7, 2020, 8:29 PM
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