NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,575 FT | 86 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

So will this be like 270 such that once the building is taken down to street level, there will be no need to build a new foundation and instead, the structure can just start rising? That seems to have saved a lot of time at 270.

No, there is a new foundation. The foundation at 270, while technically not new, was in fact reinforced. The foundation for 175 Park will be built around existing tracks, while at 270 it was built below. But a protective platform still had to be built above the rails at 270. Also at 270 they had to rebuild some of the recently built LIRR concourse to accomodate the foundation. So basically, on both fronts, service continued as usual. Just as it did at the WTC.

[JMKeynes]

Thanks!

[NYguy]

From the Governor and Mayor's plan to reimagine midtown (and the rest of New York), it's nice to see they are at least talking about the Park Avenue viaduct becoming public space, as well as extending the Vanderbilt public plaza...

[JMKeynes]

[Busy Bee]

Vanderbilt yes, viaduct no. But that's just me.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Vanderbilt yes, viaduct no. But that's just me.

I’ve wanted the Viaduct closed for a long time. It’s not essential to traffic flow, and it could be a very nice green space (ie., a High Line for Midtown).

[Busy Bee]

It is soooo New York though, especially the ramp and the arched portals in the NYC Building. Do you really want a bunch of instagramming assholes up there?

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

It is soooo New York though, especially the ramp and the arched portals in the NYC Building. Do you really want a bunch of instagramming assholes up there?

That will all still be there but covered with greenery. I worked in the Chrysler Building for a while and that area sorely needs green space.
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[rivernorthlurker]

Great video by B1M (as always)

"New York's Chrysler Building is being covered up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8tDcdUUJY

Much of vid is history of skyscrapers in New York, but makes mention of 270 and 175 Park toward the end.

[NYguy]

^ Yeah, its on the previous page. New York is never “completed”.

As far as the viaduct goes, I’ve always thought it would make a good “High Line” type park. But all streets in Manhattan through which traffic flows are essential. Any closing of a single streets has ramifications elsewhere. That’s been clear. Now, if they finally get the congestion pricing into effect, it remains to becseen if that will make an impact. Because even though the Midtown working population isn’t quite back to pre-pandemic levels, traffic is somehow worse.

Some looks at and around the viaduct….



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Classic Park Avenue view….



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[gandalf612]

Originally Posted by NYguy

But all streets in Manhattan through which traffic flows are essential. Any closing of a single streets has ramifications elsewhere.

Yes but the ramifications are great! More space for people, and more congestion which in such a transit available city as NYC and location as one of the biggest rail hubs on the CONTINENT, means potential mode switch from driving which again, is a win.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by gandalf612

Yes but the ramifications are great! More space for people, and more congestion which in such a transit available city as NYC and location as one of the biggest rail hubs on the CONTINENT, means potential mode switch from driving which again, is a win.

I agree.

[RobEss]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

It is soooo New York though, especially the ramp and the arched portals in the NYC Building. Do you really want a bunch of instagramming assholes up there?

New York is pedestrian, especially Manhattan. The era of the car is ending and we'll all be better off for it.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by RobEss

New York is pedestrian, especially Manhattan. The era of the car is ending and we'll all be better off for it.

That’s true.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by gandalf612

Yes but the ramifications are great! More space for people, and more congestion which in such a transit available city as NYC and location as one of the biggest rail hubs on the CONTINENT, means potential mode switch from driving which again, is a win.

Any switching of roads from purely cars to only pedestrians has to be calculated because it can really mess the flow of traffic if not done right; congestion, gridlock, and so on.

Deliveries can also result in congestion (UPS/FedEx and so on) as they often double park.

I'd like to see more pedestrian only roads or streets but I also get the traffic concerns.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by gandalf612

Yes but the ramifications are great! More space for people, and more congestion which in such a transit available city as NYC and location as one of the biggest rail hubs on the CONTINENT, means potential mode switch from driving which again, is a win.

I agree that New York is one of the top pedestrian friendly cities, made more friendly by the modes of public transit. But anyone who thinks congestion pricing is gonna put an end to the delima of traffic in Manhattan is dreaming. If anything, there will be more (taxus, ride shares, more deliveries, and frankly the people who can afford it who will just shrug it off).

I’m for making the viaduct a new High Line, but I’m saying it won’t be without headaches elsewhere. The High Line itself was perfect because it was ‘t being used.

[artspook]

I’ve always LOVED driving on the Grand Central Viaduct
around Grand Central Terminal . . It’s like a NYC amusement
park ride . . under Park, then over 42nd, around the terminal,
then down again through the dark tunnels in the bowls of the
Helmsley (NY Central) building . . It’s a fun shortcut, like a secret
passageway in the heart of the city . . The route gets you up & away
from the snarling grid, choked with traffic . . Driving the Viaduct
takes you back in time to when NYC was at its most exuberant,
ambitious & mysterious . . You experience the exciting vibe of the
time this twisted landmark roadway was built, when automobiles were
new & exotic . . It’s an old Spooky Gotham thing, like a carriage
ride through the Park, a ride on the Staten Island ferry, traversing
the ancient Brooklyn Bridge . . IMO, turning the viaduct into a
pedestrian public space is a wrong move . .
I’m certainly for the creation of new Parks around town . .
the High Line is awesome . . But I’m one of those people who think
that Times Square, a quintessential Manhattan focal point, is the last
place for an Indianapolis picnic table . . especially in the middle of
the street, blocking Broadway ! . . Yeah, I’ll admit it, I got a big thrill
driving through Times Square also . . The crowds, flashing lights,
What a rush . .
. . Cars add a lot of Life & bustle to Manhattan . . The city
would be too creepy quiet without them . . The pollution of the
gasoline engine will soon be gone . . but our personal cars with
an alternate power source, is hardly gonna disappear . .

[NYguy]

https://therealdeal.com/2022/12/18/d...ultuous-times/

Development still has a pulse during tumultuous times
Less-than-ideal market conditions is slowing, but not stopping developers





Dec. 18, 2022
By Ted Glanzer

In the December issue of the magazine, we asked the question “Who’s crazy enough to build office?”

It’s a fair question in light of numerous companies reducing their office footprints because of the rise of remote work, reduced headcount due to layoffs and increasing construction costs. Meta, for example, recently announced it is spending $3 billion to consolidate office space.

But in the case of 175 Park Avenue, Developers RXR and TF Cornerstone count themselves among the crazy — or the astute — and they remain confident they’ll fill 2.1 million square feet of office space when the building is completed.

And no sooner did we ask that question than another joint venture — this time between Vornado Realty Trust, Rudin Management and Citadel — announced last week a deal to construct a 1.7-million-square-foot Midtown East supertall at the combined site of 39 East 51st Street, 350 Park Avenue and 40 East 52nd Street.

Bill Rudin, the chief executive, predicted in November that companies that are shedding office space now will reverse course when the economy recovers. Rudin Management is also demolishing the 24-story building at 415 Madison Avenue to make way for a 40 story, 342,000-square-foot office tower.

[NewYorkCity76]

Originally Posted by artspook

I’ve always LOVED driving on the Grand Central Viaduct
around Grand Central Terminal . . It’s like a NYC amusement
park ride . . under Park, then over 42nd, around the terminal,
then down again through the dark tunnels in the bowls of the
Helmsley (NY Central) building . . It’s a fun shortcut, like a secret
passageway in the heart of the city . . The route gets you up & away
from the snarling grid, choked with traffic . . Driving the Viaduct
takes you back in time to when NYC was at its most exuberant,
ambitious & mysterious . . You experience the exciting vibe of the
time this twisted landmark roadway was built, when automobiles were
new & exotic . . It’s an old Spooky Gotham thing, like a carriage
ride through the Park, a ride on the Staten Island ferry, traversing
the ancient Brooklyn Bridge . . IMO, turning the viaduct into a
pedestrian public space is a wrong move . .
I’m certainly for the creation of new Parks around town . .
the High Line is awesome . . But I’m one of those people who think
that Times Square, a quintessential Manhattan focal point, is the last
place for an Indianapolis picnic table . . especially in the middle of
the street, blocking Broadway ! . . Yeah, I’ll admit it, I got a big thrill
driving through Times Square also . . The crowds, flashing lights,
What a rush . .
. . Cars add a lot of Life & bustle to Manhattan . . The city
would be too creepy quiet without them . . The pollution of the
gasoline engine will soon be gone . . but our personal cars with
an alternate power source, is hardly gonna disappear . .

Love your interpretation about it

[TKD]

Posting some of my work here for those that aren't on other platforms.


Original Image by Justin Terveen on Flickr


Original Image by NewYorkCity76 on YIMBY


Original Image by Peter Moy on Flickr