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Old Posted Jul 26, 2021, 3:16 PM
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Japan's Olympic organizers lied about its weather, and now athletes are paying the pr

I was wondering why they chose this time of year, actually---I know that when Tokyo last hosted the Summer Olympics in 1964, they were actually held in October, precisely to avoid the high heat and humidity of mid-summer, and to avoid typhoon season.

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Japan's Olympic organizers lied about its weather, and now athletes are paying the price

Dan Wetzel·Columnist
Sun, July 25, 2021, 6:06 PM


The scene at the finish line of the men's triathlon looked like a battlefield, with athletes seemingly overcome by the intense heat in Tokyo.

TOKYO — The finish line of the men’s triathlon Monday morning looked something like a battlefield scene, bodies sprawled out on ground, trainers coming to the aid of overheated athletes, even a few being helped off with their arms draped over shoulders.

This despite the Olympics moving the start time to 6:30 a.m. in an effort to beat the heat that, as these Tokyo Games have proven, remains undefeated. Temps still reached 85 degrees with a relative humidity of 67.1 percent at start time.

No, the Japanese don’t have to apologize for the weather here — the searing sun, the sky high temps, the pea-soup humidity. No one tells Mother Nature what to do.

But as athletes continue to wilt and wither in these conditions, they do owe everyone an apology for this much: They lied like hell about it.

“With many days of mild and sunny weather, this period provides an ideal climate for athletes to perform their best.”

This quote comes from Japan’s official proposal to host the 2020 Summer Olympics.

Mild? Ideal? Here in Tokyo in July?

“I wasn’t enjoying it at all,” Russian tennis player Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova said after competing Saturday in conditions that have caused everyone from archers, to volunteers to officials to faint.

Daytime temps have hit the mid to upper 90s, with dew points in the mid-70s, a mix that assures triple digit heat indexes. This is a tropical location. Venues such as tennis, beach volleyball, cycling and others are open and exposed.

“Playing in extreme heat and humidity, it’s very challenging,” said Serbian tennis star Novak Djokovic. “It’s something we’ve known coming into Tokyo, we heard and expected the conditions would be very tough, but before you come here and experience that, you don’t really know how difficult it is.”

These are, literally, the finest athletes in the world. When they say it’s difficult, it’s difficult. So why did the Japanese claim otherwise? And why did the International Olympic Committee, in granting the bid without comment about the conditions to come, just let them say it?

“Meteorological conditions during the proposed Games-time would be reasonable,” Japan’s proposal promised.

Every athlete has to deal with the same situation, so it’s not fair to say it’s unfair. However, when you’ve trained your entire life to compete in the Olympics, you probably expect a situation that might optimize performance, not punish it.

Japan knew it was lying. They live here. Not a single resident of Tokyo would describe mid-summer here as “mild” or “ideal.” In 2014, soon after the city was awarded the bid, a column in Japan Times wondered how in the world this was going to even work.

“I have been to Manila, Bangkok, Jakarta, Phnom Penh and Singapore in mid-summer and in my experience Tokyo is the worst of them all,” author Robert Whiting wrote. “The only conceivable places that are worse would be staging the games in, say, Death Valley, California, or the Horn of Africa.”

Death Valley 2036? Don’t give the IOC any ideas.

Tokyo is, depending how you measure it, the largest city in the world, with a metro population of over 34 million. It is modern, friendly, beautiful and clean. It’s an incredible place. Except for this time of year.

And they knew it, but claimed otherwise anyway, even boasting they’d provide a place “where athletes can perform at their best.”

The last time Tokyo hosted the Summer Games was 1964. It was held in October to avoid just these kinds of conditions. That made sense.

Well, Japan is 3.6 degrees warmer now on average, per government figures. The number of days hitting 95 or above have gone from an average of one per year to 12. In both 2018 and 2020, it reached a record 106, part of heat waves that saw hundreds pass away.

The good news so far is it hasn’t gotten that bad.

“It would be very hard to have business as usual,” said Carl Parker, a storm specialist for the Weather Channel. “At these levels, athletes are really energized and they start to sweat. The body uses evaporation to cool itself off, but that’s not nearly as effective which is why it perspires even more.”

The Summer Games start between mid-July and late-August now because these months produce far higher television ratings around much of the world. That’s especially true in the United States, when NBC doesn’t have to compete with the NFL, college football, the start of the school year or much else.

Since money always talks with the IOC, here we are. Athlete concerns might have mattered back in 1964. That was then. This is billions.

So Japan put out a bid with a farcical vision of idyllic summer days, like a soft breeze through Northern Wisconsin. And the IOC just pretended not to notice and nodded right along with it.

“What [is] the penalty, if any, for false advertising,” the Japan Times wondered almost a decade ago.

Whatever it is, it appears it’s the athletes who are paying it.

Link: https://sports.yahoo.com/japan-lied-...010612634.html
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I assume they chose this time of year, largely bc no one in U.S. would watch it in the Fall? Football season.

Do people still care about the Olympics? It seemed like a huge deal when I was a kid, and now seems to have dropped off the radar.
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Tokyo put this bid together a decade ago, so maybe they were telling the truth about the weather at the time.
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I assume they chose this time of year, largely bc no one in U.S. would watch it in the Fall? Football season.

Do people still care about the Olympics? It seemed like a huge deal when I was a kid, and now seems to have dropped off the radar.
I've heard from watching a vlogger who is American who has lived in Japan for over 20 years now that is exactly why it is being held now, he too said October would have been a better option but the USA sports leagues were dead set against that happening.

i've not really watched much of them in the last few held, I saw absolutley nothing from the Brazil games, I saw the opening of the London games and a couple events. Because of the time zone difference I have not seen anything live from Tokyo but have watched lots of full length highlights on youtube, I am still trying to find time to watch the opening ceremony.

I have also noticed compared to when I was a kid, 70/80s that Team Canada does so much better now, we actually have quite a few medals already Wtching while growing up it was really a poor showing but the government decided to invest in amateur sports and the olympic athletes in the last 20 or so years and the results are proving to have worked.

I when I have the time like to watch whats on on TV olympic wise, but I don't really watch TV, we put it on at work and I sneak a look when I can. Not many others seem to be interested or care that its happening.
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I have also noticed compared to when I was a kid, 70/80s that Team Canada does so much better now, we actually have quite a few medals already Wtching while growing up it was really a poor showing but the government decided to invest in amateur sports and the olympic athletes in the last 20 or so years and the results are proving to have worked.
It helps that there are a lot more events now, some of which are relatively new sports or are women's events where the funding gets a better medal bang for the buck.
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I've heard from watching a vlogger who is American who has lived in Japan for over 20 years now that is exactly why it is being held now, he too said October would have been a better option but the USA sports leagues were dead set against that happening.
American pro sports leagues' preferences played a minor but noticeable role in forcing the Olympics into this July-August time slot. NPB actually had a louder voice in this capacity for obvious league TV reasons, and because some Olympic sponsors are also NPB sponsors with prior media obligations to NPB contracted for October (when the Japan Series is held).

The real corporate culprit in forcing a July-August games is Dentsu, who has kingpinned these Olympics from the start. They commercially represent all of the following: the IOC, all domestic and foreign media (like Japan's NHK and America's NBC), and all sponsors who want to buy media from the IOC and media owners (both domestics like Toyoda and Panasonic, and gaishikei like Coca-Cola and McDonald's). If representing all sides of a multi-party transaction seems a bit, um, ethically questionable to you, then I suggest you never try doing business in Japan; this is Dentsu's bread and butter.

But it's also a liability for Dentsu if the deals don't materialize, and they're already wickedly overexposed due to all the 2020 media deals being wiped from the books. Dentsu needs to deliver these deals by the end of Japan's 2nd Quarter (July-September) so that all the Japanese sponsors can get their Q3RFs in place. That much domestic money is tied up in these games.
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I assume they chose this time of year, largely bc no one in U.S. would watch it in the Fall? Football season.

Do people still care about the Olympics? It seemed like a huge deal when I was a kid, and now seems to have dropped off the radar.
I sure care about the Olympics. For me it’s all about the big 3: gymnastics, swimming, and track and field

And where else do you get to watch people play ping pong n TV?
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I sure care about the Olympics. For me it’s all about the big 3: gymnastics, swimming, and track and field

And where else do you get to watch people play ping pong n TV?
Those big 3 are the marquee events for sure.

And yes, ping pong is kinda fun to watch on TV.

The other day I was watching the BMX Freestyle competitions, and I found it quite entertaining. Some of those stunts were impressive.

And it was interesting to watch rugby; I've never really watched a rugby match before. Field hockey is also kind of interesting to watch too.

I also like watching the marathon. For me, that was always the fun of watching the Olympics, seeing the various host cities/countries around the world, and the marathon showcases the various neighborhoods of a city.

I found the '92 Barcelona and '16 Rio de Janeiro Olympics to be the most telegenic. As amazing a city as Tokyo is, so far, all the TV images make the city look really gray.
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It's hard to escape the fact that Tokyo is just an ugly city. It's still my favorite city in the world and of course has plenty of beauty and dynamism, but the vast majority of the city is postwar concrete boxes mixed in with some random postmodern and Metabolist stuff. Hard to make that look good on TV.
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It's hard to escape the fact that Tokyo is just an ugly city. It's still my favorite city in the world and of course has plenty of beauty and dynamism, but the vast majority of the city is postwar concrete boxes mixed in with some random postmodern and Metabolist stuff. Hard to make that look good on TV.
This is unfortunately true.

There are a few vantage points in Tokyo that are nice, but most of the city is crowded and nondescript.
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I also like watching the marathon. For me, that was always the fun of watching the Olympics, seeing the various host cities/countries around the world, and the marathon showcases the various neighborhoods of a city.

I found the '92 Barcelona and '16 Rio de Janeiro Olympics to be the most telegenic. As amazing a city as Tokyo is, so far, all the TV images make the city look really gray.
Ah yes, the Marathon. As a former distance runner, that has always for me been the marquee event
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I found the '92 Barcelona and '16 Rio de Janeiro Olympics to be the most telegenic.
I stopped watching TV in the mid-90s (haven't watched a second of any Olympics since) but Barcelona looked amazing on TV. I visited the city in 2005 and saw the hillside diving pool in person and had an immediate flashback to how impressive that particular cityscape backdrop looked on TV.

I recall that the U.S. TV coverage also repeatedly broke to B-roll of the Sagrada Familia, which at the time consisted of the original facade and little else. I had never seen a picture of it or even heard of it before that TV coverage, and couldn't help but be mesmerized by it. I remember getting chills whenever they showed it. When I visited in person I had to sort-of block it out of my mind because it's so overwhelmingly original and makes everything today's cocky architects produce look so childish.

That building is one of those things that illustrates what people, when acting their best, are capable of.
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I stopped watching TV in the mid-90s (haven't watched a second of any Olympics since).
You stopped watching TV 25 years ago?


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Japan has nothing to apologize when it comes to their weather. If you do research, the place is prone to typhoons and earthquakes. Remember the tsunami that happened before that killed thousands of lives? Thanks, it didn't happened again!
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If the IOC was stupid enough not to know that Tokyo’s weather in summer is similar to Washington DC, or at least check the Wikipedia page, then you can’t blame the organisers for trying to sell their city.

More generally I think the Olympics are a great event but need to be done in a way that isn’t such a permanent money pit. Just have 6 rotating host cities, one on each inhabited continent (or maybe combine Asia/Australia and give them 2 out of every 6 olympiads, with most going to Asian cities, so that Australia hosts like every 12th rather than every 6th games). Or even double that number and have 12 permanent hosts, but not more than that. This would mean each of these cities would host every 48 years, and even that is probably outside of the useful life of most athletic facilities.
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If the IOC was stupid enough not to know that Tokyo’s weather in summer is similar to Washington DC, or at least check the Wikipedia page, then you can’t blame the organisers for trying to sell their city.

More generally I think the Olympics are a great event but need to be done in a way that isn’t such a permanent money pit. Just have 6 rotating host cities, one on each inhabited continent (or maybe combine Asia/Australia and give them 2 out of every 6 olympiads, with most going to Asian cities, so that Australia hosts like every 12th rather than every 6th games). Or even double that number and have 12 permanent hosts, but not more than that. This would mean each of these cities would host every 48 years, and even that is probably outside of the useful life of most athletic facilities.
If they aren't going to do at large bids anymore, they should just have the summer games in Athens every four years. They could put the winter games in Switzerland or something.
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If they aren't going to do at large bids anymore, they should just have the summer games in Athens every four years. They could put the winter games in Switzerland or something.
Would people be salty or would it not be a huge loss? Historically that's where it was anyway, so I'm sold. Plus how many of them have actually been "successful" and not a huge waste of land and money? Also running in the humidity...wtf
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Would people be salty or would it not be a huge loss? Historically that's where it was anyway, so I'm sold. Plus how many of them have actually been "successful" and not a huge waste of land and money? Also running in the humidity...wtf
I think they have been huge economic development tools for many of the cities that have hosted them. More recently the IOC has seemed to focus and award the games to cities that aren't really in need of the increased notoriety (London, Tokyo, Paris, probably L.A., maybe Beijing). For those places hosting the games is more of a vanity project.

I personally think that if the IOC is just going to give it to superstar cities then they should just stop doing bids altogether. The bids are only interesting because of their potential to create the next Barcelona or Atlanta. Choosing New York, London, or Tokyo is lazy.
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Would people be salty or would it not be a huge loss? Historically that's where it was anyway, so I'm sold. Plus how many of them have actually been "successful" and not a huge waste of land and money? Also running in the humidity...wtf
As far as I know, the only two Olympics to turn s profit are both LA games and I suspect 2028 will as well. There probably is no other city in the world that can host the games on 1 day notice like LA. Every necessary venue is already built and with 2 large universities in the city, we never need to build a village for the athletes or the media
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As far as I know, the only two Olympics to turn s profit are both LA games and I suspect 2028 will as well. There probably is no other city in the world that can host the games on 1 day notice like LA. Every necessary venue is already built and with 2 large universities in the city, we never need to build a village for the athletes or the media
Plus LA has the perfect weather for the games with its oceanic - Mediterranean climate keeping summer temps comfortable and not humid. Being at sea level also means you don't have altitude requiring training and affecting records like the Mexico City games.

Maybe a rotating trio of LA, Athens, Perth? What would be a suitable climate in Asia?
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