Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Im not sure why it’s absolutely necessary for the bypass to happen at the same time. People keep repeating that but so far I know of no official word that confirms that.

Yea the slides of the interim design I just posted above from MTI show Kenaston connecting to the existing Waverley gravel road south of the city. There is no need for both projects to be done at the same time.

The final stage design does show the exact route of the St Norbert bypass, linking up to 75 around PR247.

For those that don't want to scroll up, the interim design
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...e_segment3.pdf

Final design with a snipet of the bypass
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...s/segment3.pdf

Full design study with information. Full St Nob bypass route on page 22
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...nal_report.pdf

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by Spocket

In other words, it'll be decades before you can go from 330 to Dugald/15 without having to stop for a light.

Decades?? I hope not

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by WildCake

Yea the slides of the interim design I just posted above from MTI show Kenaston connecting to the existing Waverley gravel road south of the city. There is no need for both projects to be done at the same time.

The final stage design does show the exact route of the St Norbert bypass, linking up to 75 around PR247.

For those that don't want to scroll up, the interim design
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...e_segment3.pdf

Final design with a snipet of the bypass
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...s/segment3.pdf


Full design study with information. Full St Nob bypass route on page 22
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...nal_report.pdf

Thanks for sharing that.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Decades?? I hope not

I'm sure my grandchildren will one day enjoy sailing along the South Perimeter!!

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm sure my grandchildren will one day enjoy sailing along the South Perimeter!!

If red river floods very hard, you probably can too.

[harls]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm sure my grandchildren will one day enjoy sailing along the South Perimeter!!

I was saying this in 2007 when my first kid was born.

We are almost there!

[bomberjet]

The current Waverley set-up is once again for construction staging purposes. So when the big interchange does go ahead, traffic is already diverted.

For the amount of money spent on 2 signalized intersections, and the extra length of new access road they built along the south side. MI could've easily just made the connection to existing Waverley in the south.

If I were betting, it'll be probably 15-20 years before that Kenaston interchange gets built. And that's with the current planning timelines. Hoping they don't fall of this schedule and then everything is once again pushed indefinitely.

[bomberjet]

Related to the 59N 101 settlement issues.

If you're driving past the St. Mary's interchange, you'll notice the concrete steps they currently have in place. That is lightweight cellular concrete (instead of clay piled up) for the bridge approaches, used to eliminate settlement.

They will have an approach slab span from the actual bridge over the gap onto the cellular concrete. This will virtually eliminate settlement and is the best method we have at the moment.

You can also see where the bridge columns are going. I believe they will wrap the whole thing in MSE retaining walls. And will backfill the gap between wall and cellular concrete with granular.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Spocket

There'll be no interchange at Kenaston until the whole of the St. Norbert bypass is constructed. It's more expensive than the normal interchanges (extra overpass structure and an interchange at the south end where it meets 75. The odds the province will pony up that cash any time soon are slim to none.

Never say never, the Centre Port/Headingley by-pass/Inkster twinning and relocation got done without the by-pass part of the project being anywhere close to even shovel ready. I think the St Norbert by-pass interchange may proceed in a similar way. That said HWY 2/3, HWY 6 and Pipeline are likely lower hanging fruit at the moment. Especially if you do the full interchange at HWY 6 or an upgradable diamond and the simple two lane diamond to push Pipleline over the Perimeter. If those two route are done the Perimeter from 59N to HWY 2/3 would have zero at grade crossings. It really sets the stage for the northwest section that all future access needs to be grade separated before there is more development pushing for access.

[Biff]

RFP for Detailed Design of the Perimeter and Hwy 3 interchange should be out soon.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by Biff

RFP for Detailed Design of the Perimeter and Hwy 3 interchange should be out soon.

Not a design-build then?

[Wpgstvsouth94]

This is exciting! Hopefully construction starts sooner!!

[Dengler Avenue]

I was talking with an engineer about drainage on super flat terrain. He was like,

yeah, terrain as super flat as Essex (Windsor, ON) is actually really difficult to work with. If you're into such things (as I suspect you are), consider reading up on all of the flood management work that has gone into the managing flooding around Winnipeg. The city's flatness requires some very significant flood mitigation strategies.

And I thought it was just the underlying clay.
(Digression) Sometimes it does seem easier to build through Falcon Lake than around Winnipeg.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm sure my grandchildren will one day enjoy sailing along the South Perimeter!!

LOL Yeah probably.

[Biff]

They are installing lights at the Perimeter and Gunn Rd.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

I’m so done with this province. I’m considering moving for a better quality of life. They build 59/101 interchange than add wenzel lights. Now they are building the st Mary’s interchange than adding lights at Gunn. So done with this province…

[anthonyk]

Not surprised by this, they were never going to outright close the intersection at Gunn Rd and there is no money for a grade separation at this time so I think it was the right move in the name of safety.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by Biff

They are installing lights at the Perimeter and Gunn Rd.

[bomberjet]

We already knew the lights were coming at Gunn.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Biff

They are installing lights at the Perimeter and Gunn Rd.

The lights at Gunn Rd are about two decades overdue.

We cannot change what was done in the past but the northeast Perimeter connection should have never proceeded without interchanges at 59N and Gunn Rd being there from day one.