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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Building Boom Towns: Metro Areas With The Most New Construction In 2014

Interesting article. Philly came in 15th.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarl...ction-in-2014/
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 1:36 PM
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Interesting article. Philly came in 15th.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarl...ction-in-2014/
not a surprise when they are ranking metro areas and including manufacturing facilities in the cost. Areas benefiting from the oil/gas boom are doing to rank high automatically based on the huge cost of processing facilities.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 2:28 PM
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not a surprise when they are ranking metro areas and including manufacturing facilities in the cost. Areas benefiting from the oil/gas boom are doing to rank high automatically based on the huge cost of processing facilities.
I think the more interesting stat is the change by year. If you go by that statistic, then Philly rises to number 2 behind Houston, with a 40% change by year.
     
     
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I think the more interesting stat is the change by year. If you go by that statistic, then Philly rises to number 2 behind Houston, with a 40% change by year.
Excellent point.

Also, I think we're used to evaluating Philly construction and development in terms of the historic boom-bust cycles we've had here, but I think we're in the midst of achieving a critical mass and transitioning to a different and more sustainable type of city in terms of its national and international image, and its local and regional economy. Interesting how highly Boston and San Francisco-- which I see as Philly's closest analogs in terms of future image and growth--rank on this list. That may just be a bunch of wishful thinking, but a guy can dream, right?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 2:18 AM
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Excellent point.

Also, I think we're used to evaluating Philly construction and development in terms of the historic boom-bust cycles we've had here, but I think we're in the midst of achieving a critical mass and transitioning to a different and more sustainable type of city in terms of its national and international image, and its local and regional economy. Interesting how highly Boston and San Francisco-- which I see as Philly's closest analogs in terms of future image and growth--rank on this list. That may just be a bunch of wishful thinking, but a guy can dream, right?
Wishful thinking or not, I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't even put Boston too far ahead of us in terms of image. Some may disagree, but I think we're on par with Boston or even slightly ahead of its image. If we're not, it's all Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's fault for setting every one of their ******* movies there.

San Francisco definitely earned a lot of its image. It's a beautiful city and the suburbs are home to some wildly innovative business markets. But it also has a narcissistic reputation that I don't think any city can rival. They're a great city because the Chronicle says so. When you consider the cost of living, I don't think it's really any better than any other successful big city.

But I think that's one thing that actually sets Philadelphia apart from other big cities, especially in terms of potential. High priced cities like San Francisco have nowhere to grow but the suburbs, or vertically. The populations are growing (at least I think SF's still is), and in turn, so is the cost of living.

Meanwhile, Philadelphia has a stable business market coupled with a built environment the size of Baltimore still waiting to be redeveloped. We have land, abandoned apartment buildings, and shelled out row homes waiting to be revitalized and redeveloped for at least another fifty years. That is going to help us attract refugees out priced from NYC, D.C., and other pricy cities as new Center City development improves our image, both of which can attract new business.

When you consider all that, at least IMO, image isn't relevant to anyone who's looking at a city's potential. In fact, a "good" image like San Francisco or New York might even signal that a city's being maxed out. When the nearest affordable apartment is in Queens, that's a very long train ride to ponder the better quality of life you could have in Philadelphia, even Pittsburgh. There could very easily come a time when retail employees, waiters, and artists can no longer afford to live in cities known for shopping, restaurants, and art. When that day comes, Philadelphia is already the next best thing.

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W hotel isnt on November CDR schedule which means its still not close to permits and construction. Maybe it will show up on the Dec. schedule.
     
     
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W hotel isnt on November CDR schedule which means its still not close to permits and construction. Maybe it will show up on the Dec. schedule.
^^Hope so.


The folks were out with the pitchforks in South Philly last night !

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20..._hundreds.html
     
     
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The folks were out with the pitchforks in South Philly last night !

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20..._hundreds.html
id love to understand how neither of the CC locations were selected. I do not understand putting a casino in an area that is nowhere near the convention center.
     
     
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Wishful thinking or not, I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't even put Boston too far ahead of us in terms of image. Some may disagree, but I think we're on par with Boston or even slightly ahead of its image. If we're not, it's all Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's fault for setting every one of their ******* movies there.
Oh man I wish that were true Having lived in Cambridge for four years I can confirm Boston's "image" or whatever is of a super charming quaint American city everyone loves. As much as I hate to admit it, Boston is basically the "greene country towne" Penn wanted Philadelphia to be. They keep the city clean, friendly, and aside from a few spots downtown, you never really experience block after block of downtrodden Market East-style stuff. So I dunno, as much as I wish it wasn't the case, I think we have a bit of an uphill battle in the image department.

(Case in point: You know the expensive Meridian hotel across from the municipal services building? It's directly across from a concrete fortress and next to a place where people are regularly sleeping or strung out sprawled out on the sidewalk, like I saw yesterday. So... that's not a great "welcome to Philadelphia" )
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Still desperately hoping they opt not to award the second casino license at all. I think it's more likely to harm than help wherever it's put.

But if it must go somewhere, then they opt to put it down by the stadiums, where it can do the least damage to urban neighborhoods. That sucks for the people down there, but it's better than gambling (ha!) on such a thing in Market East or North Broad.
     
     
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Oh man I wish that were true Having lived in Cambridge for four years I can confirm Boston's "image" or whatever is of a super charming quaint American city everyone loves. As much as I hate to admit it, Boston is basically the "greene country towne" Penn wanted Philadelphia to be. They keep the city clean, friendly, and aside from a few spots downtown, you never really experience block after block of downtrodden Market East-style stuff. So I dunno, as much as I wish it wasn't the case, I think we have a bit of an uphill battle in the image department.

(Case in point: You know the expensive Meridian hotel across from the municipal services building? It's directly across from a concrete fortress and next to a place where people are regularly sleeping or strung out sprawled out on the sidewalk, like I saw yesterday. So... that's not a great "welcome to Philadelphia" )
Plus I read on these forums there is a Wendy's at 15th and Chestnut that is ruining everything for everyone.

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id love to understand how neither of the CC locations were selected. I do not understand putting a casino in an area that is nowhere near the convention center.
You know whats even more weird with LIVE! location? Its an 18 minute walk from the closest subway stop! Sugarhouse is only 8 minutes. That tells me that every indication is that they will be catering primarily to people in for a game and people who have cars....people who could choose any of the other 3 casinos along 95 and close.

Sure, they will likely have a shuttle, but these south philly locations have the GREATEST chance of cannibalizing the market.
     
     
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You know whats even more weird with LIVE! location? Its an 18 minute walk from the closest subway stop! Sugarhouse is only 8 minutes. That tells me that every indication is that they will be catering primarily to people in for a game and people who have cars....people who could choose any of the other 3 casinos along 95 and close.

Sure, they will likely have a shuttle, but these south philly locations have the GREATEST chance of cannibalizing the market.
Casinos need to be as far from public transit as possible to make gambling difficult for poor people.

Otherwise, for every dollar the city earns off gambling, it will lose five dollars in aditional social service costs.

But every dollar from a suburban driver is a free dollar.

As a result of this maybe we'll get lucky and that hideous Target-looking Sugarhouse/parking desert will go bust and the site will be freed up for a more appropriate use.
     
     
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You know whats even more weird with LIVE! location? Its an 18 minute walk from the closest subway stop! Sugarhouse is only 8 minutes. That tells me that every indication is that they will be catering primarily to people in for a game and people who have cars....people who could choose any of the other 3 casinos along 95 and close.

Sure, they will likely have a shuttle, but these south philly locations have the GREATEST chance of cannibalizing the market.
18 minutes? isnt right behind CBP - like 10 tops

I mean I get from the subway to CBP in like 5 minutes or less
     
     
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I don't think it should go anywhere. Casinos are terrible. Philly is a city that wants to brand itself as a leader in innovation and smart growth. This is not smart, nor will it help the city grow. If big casinos in Atlantic City are going broke, what would make anyone think that another casino could work here? Sugarhouse is terrible enough. All it will do is make gambling more accessible and tempting to people who can't afford it. Frankly, successful, wealthy people from the suburbs (who they are trying to cater this to) are generally smart enough to know that gambling is a silly waste of their money.
     
     
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They have a crane up. Just noticed it at lunch but couldn't take a picture, not sure how long its been up. I think its at 10th or 9th and Arch.
     
     
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18 minutes? isnt right behind CBP - like 10 tops

I mean I get from the subway to CBP in like 5 minutes or less
18 minutes! Its surprising!

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I don't think it should go anywhere. Casinos are terrible. Philly is a city that wants to brand itself as a leader in innovation and smart growth. This is not smart, nor will it help the city grow. If big casinos in Atlantic City are going broke, what would make anyone think that another casino could work here? Sugarhouse is terrible enough. All it will do is make gambling more accessible and tempting to people who can't afford it. Frankly, successful, wealthy people from the suburbs (who they are trying to cater this to) are generally smart enough to know that gambling is a silly waste of their money.
We all saw the south park episode last week... most revenue from drinking, gambling, gaming comes from addicts. Its not nice, but the same logic means we shouldn't put bars, lottery machines, liqour stores close to public transit to prevent poor people from using it. Casinos are fun and I'd love to have that as an additional entertainment option when I am downtown.
     
     
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