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Old Posted Mar 7, 2023, 11:08 PM
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I don't understand the obsession with tax cuts every year when our system is so starved for the bare essentials in just about every area the provincial government is responsible for.
Its so fucking idiotic but the goal is to starve the public service. Its the classic neoliberal game plan.
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Its so fucking idiotic but the goal is to starve the public service. Its the classic neoliberal game plan.
Changing the income tax exemption to 15,000 is actually long overdue for low-income Manitobans but given the dire state of social services and infrastructure in this province you would need to offset that with tax increases to wealthier income brackets which is pretty unlikely to happen. Then again, when the NDP likely become the ruling party later this year, maybe they adapt that income tax exemption with some modifications (maybe the first 13,000 instead of 15,000) and make some slight increases to the higher income taxes to compensate.
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Its so fucking idiotic but the goal is to starve the public service. Its the classic neoliberal game plan.
Much of it is arguably influenced by what is happening south of the border. In America, the rich are getting richer, with more tax breaks, while the poor and middle class are taxed more. The disparity of wealth has widened substantially since the 80s.

We should be looking toward Europe, especially Scandinavia, to see what they are doing right.
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Changing the income tax exemption to 15,000 is actually long overdue for low-income Manitobans but given the dire state of social services and infrastructure in this province you would need to offset that with tax increases to wealthier income brackets which is pretty unlikely to happen. Then again, when the NDP likely become the ruling party later this year, maybe they adapt that income tax exemption with some modifications (maybe the first 13,000 instead of 15,000) and make some slight increases to the higher income taxes to compensate.
Yes, it is not a good time to come from a poor/working class background. The odds are now stacked so great, that 99.9% of the people who grew up in poverty will never rise to the top 5% of income earners.
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have any of you or know anyone who has moved here from another province? we have some of the highest taxes in the country, personal exemption, PST, payroll tax. a tax break on some of those will help lower and middle and higher income Manitobans
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NDP prior to PC...
- raised taxes 14 x's
- healthcare mess & hallway medicine
- billions in debt, primarily cuz Hydro went West instead of East
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Much of it is arguably influenced by what is happening south of the border. In America, the rich are getting richer, with more tax breaks, while the poor and middle class are taxed more. The disparity of wealth has widened substantially since the 80s.

We should be looking toward Europe, especially Scandinavia, to see what they are doing right.
Yup, most definitely. We are essentially a vassal state to the US. One of the features of neoliberalism is that it encourages a race to the bottom. Governments at all levels compete with each other for business and wealthy people by lowering regulations and their burden of taxes. All this does is sell out our future for short term profits. People need to stop falling for it.
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have any of you or know anyone who has moved here from another province?
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NDP prior to PC...
- raised taxes 14 x's
- healthcare mess & hallway medicine
- billions in debt, primarily cuz Hydro went West instead of East
heathcare was made into a mess by the cut and burn bs resulting in the mess we have now
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NDP prior to PC...
- raised taxes 14 x's
- healthcare mess & hallway medicine
- billions in debt, primarily cuz Hydro went West instead of East
How do you feel about the current government borrowing nearly $2 billion in the past three budget years to cover off school tax rebates and another $335 million in this budget to cover off the tax cuts?

If the tax cuts are working after two terms in government why is revenue still too low to cover basic services?

FTR I mostly hate the policies of all parties, but this government has been exceptionally poor in terms of stewardship of the economy here...which is only partially tied to their balance sheet.
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Need to take off the political blinders. Danny's got it.
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Election campaigns are important. Sometimes the "expected" result does not happen. In the 2021 Nova Scotia provincial election, the Liberals were the government and with a new, young leader, the outcome was expected to be another Liberal majority. Instead, the PC's pulled off the upset with a majority.

The 2013 BC provincial election has many similarities to the current situation in Manitoba. A very tired BC Liberal government has been in power for 12 years. An unpopular premier (Gordon Campbell) resigned and was replaced by a woman (Christy Clark). The NDP were riding high in the polls and the only question was how large would the NDP win be. Then the election was called. The BC Liberals were consistently several points behind the NDP in every public opinion poll throughout the campaign. Even poll results released on the last day of the campaign suggested the NDP had an eight to nine percentage point margin over the Liberals What happened? The Liberals won the election with even a larger majority than they had when the writ was dropped. Living in BC at the time, it was Clark who won that election for the Liberals. She campaigned her ass off and Adrian Dix (NDP Leader) thought he had it it the bag and campaigned like it.
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Stefanson approval rating fell again and still lowest in the country at 25%.
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What I find interesting is even in the circle of people who are fully on board PP and the Cons federally. Are anti Stefanson. It's a bit confusing really.

To ozabald's point, let's not count are chickens quite yet.
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Changing the income tax exemption to 15,000 is actually long overdue for low-income Manitobans but given the dire state of social services and infrastructure in this province you would need to offset that with tax increases to wealthier income brackets which is pretty unlikely to happen. Then again, when the NDP likely become the ruling party later this year, maybe they adapt that income tax exemption with some modifications (maybe the first 13,000 instead of 15,000) and make some slight increases to the higher income taxes to compensate.
Why tax anyone who is making under $25,000??
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Election campaigns are important. Sometimes the "expected" result does not happen. In the 2021 Nova Scotia provincial election, the Liberals were the government and with a new, young leader, the outcome was expected to be another Liberal majority. Instead, the PC's pulled off the upset with a majority.

The 2013 BC provincial election has many similarities to the current situation in Manitoba. A very tired BC Liberal government has been in power for 12 years. An unpopular premier (Gordon Campbell) resigned and was replaced by a woman (Christy Clark). The NDP were riding high in the polls and the only question was how large would the NDP win be. Then the election was called. The BC Liberals were consistently several points behind the NDP in every public opinion poll throughout the campaign. Even poll results released on the last day of the campaign suggested the NDP had an eight to nine percentage point margin over the Liberals What happened? The Liberals won the election with even a larger majority than they had when the writ was dropped. Living in BC at the time, it was Clark who won that election for the Liberals. She campaigned her ass off and Adrian Dix (NDP Leader) thought he had it it the bag and campaigned like it.
The alternative to the PC’s is a horrific option. A leader who is the NDP equivalent of Trudeau. Someone who his completely unqualified and whose entire mandate will be based on identity politics, ethnic divide and equity. Nothing there to build jobs for the economy and attract investment to the province.
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The alternative to the PC’s is a horrific option. A leader who is the NDP equivalent of Trudeau. Someone who his completely unqualified and whose entire mandate will be based on identity politics, ethnic divide and equity. Nothing there to build jobs for the economy and attract investment to the province.
As an outsider, I’m curious, how has the PC’s record on building jobs and attracting investment been? What’s the evidence that it has benefited a majority of Manitobans?
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NDP prior to PC...
- raised taxes 14 x's
- healthcare mess & hallway medicine
- billions in debt, primarily cuz Hydro went West instead of East
Shhhhh….you’re not supposed to talk about that here, the lefties have short memories, in their minds everything was perfect back when the speNDP regime ruled!
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 2:01 PM
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Shhhhh….you’re not supposed to talk about that here, the lefties have short memories, in their minds everything was perfect back when the speNDP regime ruled!
Maybe you can answer my question. Has the PCs made life better for the average Manitoban? And how so? How did they manage the province's finances?
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Maybe you can answer my question. Has the PCs made life better for the average Manitoban? And how so? How did they manage the province's finances?
I would say no. In many ways things are in worse shape than they were 5 years ago. But I guess you could say the same thing about the federal Liberals propped up by the NDP.

The point being that the last several years have been exceptionally difficult for all governing parties. I'm sure that had the Manitoba PCs known what was coming 5 years ago, they would have likely done certain things differently.
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