Paris Transit Thread

[Minato Ku]

Metro

U/C


Mairie de Montrouge to Bagneux (2020): 1.9 km, 2 stations


Front Populaire to Maire d'Aubervilliers (2019): 2 stations


Saint Lazare to Mairie de Saint Ouen (2019): 5.5km, 4 stations

Preparatory work


Mairie des Lilas to Rosny-Bois-Perrier (2022): 5.4 km, 6 stations


Noisy - Champs to Pont de Sèvres (2022): 33 km, 20 stations

RER

U/C


New station: Rosa Park (end of 2015)

Preparatory work


Haussmann Saint-Lazare to Nanterre-La Folie (2020): 8 km 3 stations
Extension from Nanterre-La Folie to Mantes-la-Jolie (2022) using refurbished existing infrastructure (2022): 45 km 10 station

[Minato Ku]

Opening of a new subway station : Olympiade.
This station serve the main chinatown of Paris, Tolbiac university...

Beautiful station, clean (obvious it is new), luminous.
But I don't like the provisional toll gates :ohno:

Actually the line 14 has 389,000 passengers per workday, with this new station the workday traffic is estimated at 410,000.
Note that the estimation are always underestimating.

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I learn some interesting fact, the real traffic of the line 14 is 100,000,000 journey.

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Better pictures by Metropole site. Here




According the website the ugly toll gates are only here for few month, after those will be remplaced by Météor type gate

[Nunavuter]

Dayum. When I see stations like that, I wonder why the hell the subway stations i have to use are so damn ugly.

[fflint]

All photographs must be properly credited.

[Minato Ku]

Originally Posted by fflint

All photographs must be properly credited.

It was only two photographs, the first is me (Pictures 1 at 10). The second is author of the article in Metropole : Jeff :o) (All the other pictures) .

[Fabb]

Too bad it took so long to complete the extension. The first part of the line was launched nine years ago.

[Grumpy]

Thanks for keeping us so up to date (need news maps of the RATP network soon)

[Minato Ku]

Feu vert au métrophérique. C'est un engagement qui pourrait peser lourd pour le projet de transports en commun le plus ambitieux de la région : hier, Nicolas Sarkozy a demandé de « construire le projet métrophérique ». Il s'agit de réaliser une ligne de métro autour de Paris reliant les trois départements limitrophes. Cela permettrait de soulager les lignes de métro et de RER, en voie de saturation complète. Evalué entre 5 et 10 milliards d'euros, ce projet colossal n'est pour l'instant qu'un voeu pieu. Reste à savoir si la déclaration de Nicolas Sarkozy sera suivie d'effet.

Source : Sébastien Ramnoux, June 27, 2007 http://www.leparisien.com/home/mavil...leid=276117385

This article, on the Parisien newspaper, say that the new french President want build Metropherique, the subway ring in inner suburbs. The estimated cost is between 5 and 10 billion €. This estimated traffic is 1 million passengers per day
Actually it is only a project but the RATP can begin the construction in 2010.

[Minato Ku]

Nope the station Olympiade is integred at RATP map since the beginning of 2007.

The next new station of Paris metro will be Gennevilliers - Agnettes and Gennevilliers - Courtilles on the line 13, opening in 2008.

[dl3000]

I love the metro, when I was there all the signs were prepared with "Olympiades" on them but they had "Bibliotheque" covering them so when the station was opened they removed the cover. It is amazing that all estimates are underestimates, but the line was definitely busy, and so deep considering it has to be below all the other metro lines and sewers and whatnot. Here, all estimates are overestimates. If only transit were half as good here. Only the east coast comes close. By the way, what is going on with the Opera station?

[itsdenis]

Originally Posted by dl3000

If only transit were half as good here. Only the east coast comes close.

The US over all will never be able to have a transit system like Western Europe because
a)most of the US has a very low population density. Generally, only the northeast corridor has enough density to justify buidling such transit systems.
b)because of the socialistic tendencies of Europe the taxes there are many much much higher than here, thus creating more funding for urban projects.
c)Europe as a society is much older and has had much more time to develop. Yes the US is trying to catch up but with the suburban sprawl mindset of much of the country, I'm not holding my breath.

[dl3000]

Originally Posted by itsdenis

The US over all will never be able to have a transit system like Western Europe because
a)most of the US has a very low population density. Generally, only the northeast corridor has enough density to justify buidling such transit systems.
b)because of the socialistic tendencies of Europe the taxes there are many much much higher than here, thus creating more funding for urban projects.
c)Europe as a society is much older and has had much more time to develop. Yes the US is trying to catch up but with the suburban sprawl mindset of much of the country, I'm not holding my breath.

Actually, in the distant future, it will be necessary to have a system like that of Europe so I wouldn't say never.

[Grumpy]

nice map of the entire Parisian network: http://62.193.249.109/stif

[Minato Ku]

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[Grumpy]

A wealth of info about the Parisien network can be found here

http://media.trains-idf.net/index.php?/categories

[hk_ayu]

when I saw those figures, omg...

One single metro line in Paris carries more passengers than the whole public transport system in Melbourne

But how come my train is so crowded??

[Minato Ku]

In fact this is not the real ridership of these lines.
These numbers don't include lines transfert.

So a commuter who take the line 1 and change for the line 2 would be only include in line 1 traffic.
It is about the same thing for the subway station which count only the entrance.
So according official data Gare du Nord is the most used station but in reality it is not the case.

[zilfondel]

^ The population of the US will increase by 33% by 2050, so you had better believe we're getting better transit. It's already started, with about 50 cities building light rail lines. Besides, NYC, Seattle, San Fran, are all building new subways.

[itsdenis]

Originally Posted by zilfondel

^ The population of the US will increase by 33% by 2050, so you had better believe we're getting better transit. It's already started, with about 50 cities building light rail lines. Besides, NYC, Seattle, San Fran, are all building new subways.

Where did you get that info? I highly doubt that SF is building a subway although they have been extending the BART. And Seattle certainly is not building a subway. They are buidling a lightrail line which is primarely at ground level with only a couple underground stations.

I think lightrail in general is the wrong direction to be expanding transit in this country. It is a toy compared to any real subway train or commuter railroad. Compare the Hudson-Bergen light rail's usefullness with the PATH trains and you'll know what I mean.

Cities ought to be buiding full scale train systems like they have in Chicago, Boston, etc.


Lightrail in the US can move about 10,000 people per hour per track using two minute headways.*

Full gauge subway/ elevated trains can move around 70,000-80,000 people per track per hour with three minute headways, but that can change depend on the legnth of trains.*

*Wiki

[Minato Ku]

Originally Posted by itsdenis

Lightrail in the US can move about 10,000 people per hour per track using two minute headways.*

Full gauge subway/ elevated trains can move around 70,000-80,000 people per track per hour with three minute headways, but that can change depend on the legnth of trains.*

*Wiki

Actually no light rail have this capacity in USA.
And no subway transport this number of passagers per hour in USA.

The busiest subway in N.Y.C line carry around 40,000 people per track per hour.