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Old Posted Nov 15, 2021, 2:58 AM
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The Douglas Jung building was vandalized with red handprints and some unsavory quotations. I think it happened overnight because I didn't notice it walking by yesterday. I assume the building was targeted because it is a government building and the court battle with indigenous children is dragging out.
Climate rally got hijacked.

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The event began as a peaceful demonstration with multiple speakers taking to the podium.
Then, it escalated after some people placed red handprints on the building façade.

"We were getting ready to go for our march but some young people put washable paint with hand marks on the building and the police decided to escalate," said event organizer Thomas Davies.

The red paint could be seen all over the front of the building.

Police quickly enclosed on the group and detained three people, causing protestors to push back and demand they be released.
Eventually police escorted the individuals into police wagons and took them away.

In a release Vancouver police said A 20-year-old man and two women, aged 18 and 16, were taken to Vancouver Jail. They have since been released pending their next appearance in court.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/red-hand-print...sted-1.5664975
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Climate rally got hijacked.
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Yes this is a vancouver-oriented section and yes this isn't remotely the lower mainland but you could replace the city name with Vancouver, Burnaby, Coquitlam, Squamish or Ladner and it would still be the same news.
If it's the same news then post that story instead. This is off-topic
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2021, 4:19 AM
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The view out my window last night at 8:36pm.
Posted it on reddit last night Vancouver police say city averaging 4 random assaults per day. Nearly one tonight.

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Man arrested after stick-wielding video goes viral in Vancouver
Police calling on victim of Nov. 1 incident to come forward
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Vancouver Police have identified a suspect seen chasing a pedestrian with a large stick in downtown Vancouver. A 26-year-old West End resident was already wanted BC-wide for a different offence, and was taken to jail by VPD. PHOTO BY VPD /PNG

Vancouver police have arrested a man they believe was caught on video threatening another person with a large stick on Burrard Street earlier this month.
In a prepared statement, Vancouver Police Department spokesperson Const. Tania Visintin said the incident occurred at 9:30 p.m. Nov. 1 and was recorded by a person from across the road and that video was posted to social media and shared widely.

#VPDNews: Vancouver Police have identified a suspect seen chasing a pedestrian with a large stick in downtown Vancouver, after video of the incident was posted on social media. Police are now asking the victim to come forward. https://vpd.ca/news/2021/11/24/vpd-i...ht-on-tape/…

“The video shows a man pacing around near Burrard and Drake streets, holding a stick, and lashing out towards pedestrians and vehicles,” Visintin said.
“At one point in the video, the man aims the stick and chases a pedestrian at full speed. Moments later, he points the stick at a person who has their back turned to him, then gets on a bus.”
Police are now asking the victim to come forward.
“This frightening incident was caught on tape, but the victim did not report the encounter to Vancouver police,” Visintin said.
“We’d like to hear from this person, or anyone else who has information, so we can better understand what happened. This behaviour was very concerning and it put public safety at risk.”
Visintin said two police officers later identified the suspect after responding to reports of a disturbance at a social housing complex near Cambie and Dunsmuir streets.
“When the officers approached him, the man claimed to have a gun and tried to flee, but the constables arrested him before he could run away,” she said.
The man, a 26-year-old West End resident, was already wanted BC-wide for a different offence, and was taken to jail.
source: https://vancouversun.com/news/man-ar...l-in-vancouver
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Was contacted by the police last week. They requested the original 3min 51sec (raw) video for better quality.
Checked out the package history today and I'd say they were on the case.


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Nice job. I hope at least this loser will spend time in jail.
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My condo mail boxes were burglarized a few days ago by two individuals who snuck in during the wee hours of the morning. Not sure what time that was, but they broke into the master lock at 6:30am. Pretty early risers for petty criminals I should say.

Just a warning not only to the condo dwellers downtown, but for those who live in shared apartment buildings all over the Lower Mainland not to let strangers into your building when you enter/exit the place.
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it's frustrating when people do that but there always seems to be someone willing to do it.

With most cheques from the government now direct deposited it seems like mailbox break-ins are not as frequent, it would happen quite regularly when they knew government cheques were being sent out.
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it's frustrating when people do that but there always seems to be someone willing to do it.

With most cheques from the government now direct deposited it seems like mailbox break-ins are not as frequent, it would happen quite regularly when they knew government cheques were being sent out.
Yes, or they could be targetting online purchase items. There are even parcels left around our mailbox area most days: these are easy pickings.
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Our building has a concierge and a locked cabinet for parcels. However there's nobody at the desk on Sundays. Amazon delivery people will take any opportunity they can to get access to the building and just dump everything in the lobby. We had 1 theft, where somebody followed a resident into the building and grabbed several packages in the lobby area.

The person looked "normal" and flashed a fob at the person who let them in, so it was a clever scam. Always make people scan their fob.
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I generally have parcels shipped to my office or by Canada Post where pick-up is only a block away.
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For those interested in understanding why the scourge of drug abuse continues, this is a good read. It certainly echos a lot of my own thoughts.

Do progressives ruin cities? Michael Shellenberger makes the case
https://thehub.ca/2021-11-24/do-prog...Tln5iLrB3Yo8L0
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But I also think we should distinguish between drug use in private places and public places. If people want to be idiotic and smoke fentanyl in their own apartments at no harm to others, I think that’s terrible, but I don’t think that taxpayers should spend money arresting them. By contrast, if you’re doing drugs in public, defecating in public, camping in public, you should be arrested because you’re breaking the law.
^I guess Shellenberger wants homelessness to be illegal?
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^I guess Shellenberger wants homelessness to be illegal?
Interesting conclusion.

Where do folks that refuse housing because of "rules", fit into this paradigm?
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Interesting conclusion.

Where do folks that refuse housing because of "rules", fit into this paradigm?
Here is a quote from earlier in the interview:
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I’m not necessarily against decriminalization. In fact, I argue for a modified or very similar proposal to what they do in the Netherlands and other parts of Europe where it’s still against the law, but it’s not a felony offence necessarily. I don’t think that most addicts need to go to prison. I think it needs to be a threat to get some people to ultimately accept rehabilitation.
Statement A: All addicts should go to prison or rehab
Statement B: Using drugs in your home goes unpunished
Statement C: Using drugs in public sends you to prison

A and B are inherently contradictory. Unless the argument is that someone who has a home could not possibly be an addict and must be a recreational user, while homelessness is a symptom of addiction.

The only way to make all three statements agree, is to change statement A to "all homeless addicts". If we do this, are we actually punishing drug use, or are we criminalizing homelessness?

As for your question, I don't think you need to have rules in quotations. There are many restrictions in place at shelters that would be scoffed at by members of the housed public. For someone like Shellenberger who is such a staunch defender of personal autonomy, I assume shelters with such stringent rules are the last thing he wants.
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^I guess Shellenberger wants homelessness to be illegal?
No, he wants people not to shoot up and shit in the public realm.

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More than 1,700 people were assaulted unprovoked by a stranger in past year, Vancouver police review finds


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...uver-1.6220296

on the radio yesterday some guy said he was threatened by a guy with a knife in a strathcona park while he walked his dog, he got to the other end and called the police to report it. But they also said a number of signs have been getting posted saying something along the lines of no yuppies in east Vancouver and maybe a threat against them as well. I can't remember what they said it says but it wasn't friendly.
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Statement A: All addicts should go to prison or rehab
Statement B: Using drugs in your home goes unpunished
Statement C: Using drugs in public sends you to prison

A and B are inherently contradictory. Unless the argument is that someone who has a home could not possibly be an addict and must be a recreational user, while homelessness is a symptom of addiction.

The only way to make all three statements agree, is to change statement A to "all homeless addicts". If we do this, are we actually punishing drug use, or are we criminalizing homelessness?

As for your question, I don't think you need to have rules in quotations. There are many restrictions in place at shelters that would be scoffed at by members of the housed public. For someone like Shellenberger who is such a staunch defender of personal autonomy, I assume shelters with such stringent rules are the last thing he wants.

I really appreciate you engaging in good faith, this is great to be a part of. Thank you.

To answer, I think take a bit of back tracking.

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A and B are inherently contradictory. Unless the argument is that someone who has a home could not possibly be an addict and must be a recreational user, while homelessness is a symptom of addiction.
Homelessness is overwhelmingly a symptom of mental health issues. Addiction is a way to self medicate mental health issues. This is a health crisis first, a criminal crisis second.

But there is a distinction here, to be precise, someone using at home is still an addict. Likely a functioning addict. I know plenty of those; alcohol, cocaine, opioids, the most unlikely and successful of people use behind closed doors.

The distinction; despite their use they manage to uphold the majority of their social contracts.

This is a non trivial, and absolutely pivotal point in how I view this.

The central ask of Shellenberger, and folks like myself is; the relationship needs to be reciprocal. There are boundaries to both empathy and generosity. I think progressive models need to take these constrains more seriously as pivotal points in determination of approach, on an individual to individual basis.

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The only way to make all three statements agree, is to change statement A to "all homeless addicts". If we do this, are we actually punishing drug use, or are we criminalizing homelessness?
I'm going to assume that at our cores we want the same goal; eliminate all possible human suffering, while creating an overwhelmingly more positive civic realm for all citizens.

If we are to agree on that core principle then a question must be answered first.

How can we possibly expect to achieve meaningful improvement in outcomes when there is no incentive for improvement?

Is there a reason why we should believe that simple incentive structures do not work on these homeless populations despite them working on the rest of us?

And how does creating a repercussion free environment help foster rehabilitation and adaption into society?
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This isn't surprising. Talking to people who work at Holts and the Bay and the theft is brazen with clothes even being stolen off mannequins:

"Results are alarming": VPD details 195 arrests during pre-Christmas shoplifting blitz
Amanda Wawryk
Dec 6 2021

One hundred and ninety-five arrests, 300+ charges, and $75,oo0 worth of merchandise recovered.

There are some alarming numbers from a pre-Christmas shoplifting enforcement blitz by Vancouver Police.

“Business owners and their staff continue to struggle with prolific and often violent thieves, who seem to think they can steal with impunity,” says Sergeant Steve Addison.

“Since November 4, a dedicated group of VPD officers has worked directly with retail staff in the downtown core to identify and apprehend shoplifters. The results are alarming.”.....


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/alar...as-enforcement
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