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Old Posted Jan 24, 2022, 12:20 AM
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Such a weird game they play. What benefit is gained from taking off 92’? The building is still the same size. It all just seems so strange, but obviously the developer is agreeing to it. So I wonder if they never really intended to have the floating top in the first place?

It’s all pretty ridiculous.
The previous design was already approved by Reilly and written into the PD, so this has nothing to do with NIMBYism.

Crescent Heights likely crunched the numbers on the old design and decided it wasn't cost effective to build such a slender tower when they could accommodate the same number of units in a shorter, wider tower. I agree the new design isn't as distinctive without the "lantern" on top and I share the disappointment.

I assume they did their homework before submitting the PD, but something must have changed - maybe the market conditions required them to change the proforma or the unit mix, or construction costs went up more than expected. It takes 2-3 years at least to plan these towers, and developers have to constantly adjust as they go.
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The previous design was already approved by Reilly and written into the PD, so this has nothing to do with NIMBYism.
They probably had the taller version as a placeholder expecting community resistance, only to eventually go with originally planned - shorter - version as a consolation to the nimbys. . . when there was no pushback they were probably just as surprised as anyone. . . went with their originally designed and more fully sussed out plans, probably. . .

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Old Posted Jan 24, 2022, 4:36 PM
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^That's what I was assuming. I wasn't really blaming the developers, but, if that's true, it just highlights how absurd the process is... add more height that you never intend to build in order to cut the tower arbitrarily shorter to appease NIMBYs.
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^ it's how you play the game.

If the NIMBidiots are gonna demand their pound of flesh, why not give 'em a pound of made-up flesh that means nothing to you?
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Looks like the Union tower is nearing the half way point for floor count.
Dang, really? I thought was taller than K2...
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They probably had the taller version as a placeholder expecting community resistance, only to eventually go with originally planned - shorter - version as a consolation to the nimbys. . . when there was no pushback they were probably just as surprised as anyone. . . went with their originally designed and more fully sussed out plans, probably.
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^ it's how you play the game.

If the NIMBidiots are gonna demand their pound of flesh, why not give 'em a pound of made-up flesh that means nothing to you?

I tuned into some of the meetings for this project and the narrow design was pitched to the NIMBYs as a selling point that preserved views for southern-facing condos at 659 W. Randolph.

So if anything the NIMBYs are getting a raw deal now because the revised tower is much chubbier. They were also bitching about not enough parking and that's been further cut down too....
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^ it's how you play the game.

If the NIMBidiots are gonna demand their pound of flesh, why not give 'em a pound of made-up flesh that means nothing to you?
If that's the game they were playing, they lost badly as I thought the lantern element really made the building and probably meant something to them (assuming that design means something to them).
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2022, 5:09 PM
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If that's the game they were playing, they lost badly as I thought the lantern element really made the building and probably meant something to them (assuming that design means something to them).
Some company VP was probably like hey we can save $XYZ million if we make the tower fatter and shorter and cheapen the design. His bosses said yes and they all received bonuses.
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They probably had the taller version as a placeholder expecting community resistance, only to eventually go with originally planned - shorter - version as a consolation to the nimbys. . . when there was no pushback they were probably just as surprised as anyone. . . went with their originally designed and more fully sussed out plans, probably. . .

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I guess that's possible, but it's hard to say because there's no clear chain of cause-and-effect.

It's worth noting that Crescent Heights built NEMA, the city's tallest residential tower, so they are not afraid to push the limits on height when they are allowed to do so. NEMA was originally proposed at 829' and actually increased to 909' when it was eventually completed.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 7:40 PM
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Urbanize reporting that this tower is now shorter and more boring:

640 W. Washington gets haircut and redesign
Lukas Kugler, Urbanize Chicago



Or if you didn't like the hat, then maybe you like this new design.
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I guess that's possible, but it's hard to say because there's no clear chain of cause-and-effect.

It's worth noting that Crescent Heights built NEMA, the city's tallest residential tower, so they are not afraid to push the limits on height when they are allowed to do so. NEMA was originally proposed at 829' and actually increased to 909' when it was eventually completed.
I didn't realize Crescent did NEMA. I guess they deserve at least one pass for now.
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Urbanize reporting that this tower is now shorter and more boring:

640 W. Washington gets haircut and redesign
Lukas Kugler, Urbanize Chicago



Or if you didn't like the hat, then maybe you like this new design.
I don't like the hat. But I'm not certain I like the new design as much either.
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Yeah, I don't mind losing the "hat." Losing height is a bit of a bummer, but the design hasn't changed enough to draw pitchforks. In fact, I kind of like how the width grew. The proportions are better.
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^width is the same... the images are depicted at different scales... compare the outline of the existing building to the north/right...
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^width is the same... the images are depicted at different scales... compare the outline of the existing building to the north/right...
From 42nd Ward:

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Height reduced from 529’ (47 stories) to 425’ (38 stories)
Height of podium increased from 46’ to 51’
Width of the tower (east-to-west) increased from 67.5’ to 80’ wide.
The parking count reduced from 137 to 121
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^ the east-west width increased 12.5', but you wouldn't see that in those comparison elevations above showing the east facade.

the north-south width appears to have remained the same.
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Looks better now.
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^thanks for the clarification, Steely
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I think we can all agree:

At least podium got bigger!
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