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Old Posted May 10, 2020, 7:13 PM
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Yea the KK100 comparison has been made a lot in this thread but it's very true. I'd note that the fins on Tribune East are different up top, KK100 has a sky atrium whereas Tribune is open aired.

The color will likely be different and Tribune looks skinnier too.
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Old Posted May 10, 2020, 8:58 PM
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This building already exists in Shenzhen with nearly the exact same specs, only it's a touch taller there at 1450'. It's called KK100, formerly known as Kingkey Finance Tower. I realize it's a tiny tiny tiny bit different (Shenzhen's closed the top... maybe there's the extra 28'?), but still feels like Chicago is copying China here. Kind of a sad fall after the originality of the John Hancock Building, Sears Tower, and later on the Trump International Hotel.
I guess the best I can say is that they are certainly copying one of the best buildings in China. Just seems an odd choice as by most measures the Shenzhen skyline (semi) recently surpassed Chicago's in the world rankings.

https://live.staticflickr.com/1567/25480063633_26de1eddf0_b.jpgShenzhen's second tallest building, the KK100 by raspyrose_, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/7502/28094737990_f9197335ef_k.jpg罗湖 by lok, on Flickr
Are the floor plans the same because Tribune looks tall and slender where as kk100 looks very wide/bulky?

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I attended the "virtual" Plan Commission this past Friday and got my submission in soon enough to make a live comment.

Here are some of the notes I took during the discussion of this proposal...

Plan Commission May 8, 2020

-subtle levels of verticality on northland south facades

-transparency at the lower level

-2 points of security near entries

-programmatically driven

-tower is singular in expression

-operable windows (this will help with texture of the N/S facade)

-mullions designed for best sun protection on E-W facades

-went from 3,500 sq ft to 16,200 sq ft green space in plaza

-19 shade trees

-LEED Gold Certified

-lee golub spoke

-11 affordable units on site for rental
condo units over $1,000 per sq ft/rental over $4 per sq ft

-$570,000,000 phase one redevelopment

-$200,000,000 for the land

-construction start 4th quarter 2021 at earliest… probably 2022

-Walsh Construction phase 1 and first units in old tower 2021 delivery

-200 key 5-star high-end hotel rooms

-IF hotel fails, possible look at additional rental/condo
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I wasn't familiar with KK100 before. There are similarities and differences between it and this tower. Here's another view of the Shenzhen tower.

https://images.adsttc.com/media/imag...jpg?1414296914

Personally, I like the design of the Tribune Tower addition.

Chicago has a long history of towers that recall others from around the world. the AON Building was of a similar design and built around the same time as the World Trade Center towers in New York City.

Before building 150 N Riverside, Goettsch Partners had previously built some startlingly similar towers in the United Arab Emirates.

https://i1.wp.com/www10.aeccafe.com/...pg?w=731&ssl=1

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Old Posted May 11, 2020, 1:26 AM
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I'm just happy we are getting a new supertall.
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Still feels like Chicago is copying China here. Kind of a sad fall after the originality of the John Hancock Building, Sears Tower, and later on the Trump International Hotel.

I guess the best I can say is that they are certainly copying one of the best buildings in China. Just seems an odd choice as by most measures the Shenzhen skyline (semi) recently surpassed Chicago's in the world rankings.
Who the fuck cares, the buildings have similar shapes yet they are different enough in other ways. The Tribune Addition has different facade finishes and is a lot slimmer. Literally no one cares if it somewhats looks like KK100.
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Who the fuck cares, the buildings have similar shapes yet they are different enough in other ways. The Tribune Addition has different facade finishes and is a lot slimmer. Literally no one cares if it somewhats looks like KK100.
It also doesn't look exactly like KK100, some buildings are bound to look like each other anyway.


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https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2020...d-part-begins/

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City planners OK 2nd-tallest building in Chicago. Now the hard part begins

Luxury skyscraper project known as Tribune Tower East receives approval, but hotel component may not work
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The Chicago Plan Commission has approved a plan to construct a 1,422-foot hotel and residential tower east of Tribune Tower, but much remains up in the air.

Golub & Company’s Lee Golub told the commission that “it’s tough to be able to predict in today’s world” and may have to swap out the hotel portion given the immense difficulties in that sector caused by the pandemic.

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It also doesn't look exactly like KK100, some buildings are bound to look like each other anyway.


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https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2020...d-part-begins/
Nothing lasts forever, not even Covid. It's all about timing, and if this thing isn't even due to start construction until 2022, the hotel component may still be part of it. But yes, even with current global economic uncertainty, I'm glad this project is slowly moving forward.
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Nothing lasts forever, not even Covid. It's all about timing, and if this thing isn't even due to start construction until 2022, the hotel component may still be part of it. But yes, even with current global economic uncertainty, I'm glad this project is slowly moving forward.
Agree, projected 2021/22 start date with 2025 delivery has turned into an asset for this project. Forecasting to 2025 feels like trying to imagine the year 2100 right now.
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Yea the KK100 comparison has been made a lot in this thread but it's very true. I'd note that the fins on Tribune East are different up top, KK100 has a sky atrium whereas Tribune is open aired.

The color will likely be different and Tribune looks skinnier too.
One huge difference is that KK100 has horizontal bands absent from Tribune, Tribune will have gorgeous vertical bronze lines which when finished will make it look much taller and prettier than KK100 IMO.
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Was this approved by the city council yet?
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https://news.wttw.com/2020/05/19/chi...une-tower-east

Chicago’s Skyline Set to Change as Aldermen OK Plan for Tribune Tower East

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Aldermen on Tuesday advanced a proposal to build what could become the second-tallest building in Chicago — and the third tallest in the United States — on what is now a surface parking lot next to the Tribune Tower on Michigan Avenue.

The $700 million proposal from developers CIM Group and Golub & Company would rise 1,422 feet in the air and feature 564 for-sale units and apartments along with a 200-room hotel on 102 floors.
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Ald. Walter Burnett (27th Ward) called the building “very beautiful” and said it was a “big win” that the pandemic and the economic crisis had not stalled plans for the tower, which is being built by the same team that is transforming the Tribune Tower, the former home of the Chicago Tribune, into luxury condominiums.
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^ Only $700 Million?? That seems quite low for a tower of this magnitude. Vista is pegged at $1 Billion. Trump Tower was also $1 Billion in 2008 bucks. My guess is this is just another EBJ (Error by Journalist)
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^ Only $700 Million?? That seems quite low for a tower of this magnitude. Vista is pegged at $1 Billion. Trump Tower was also $1 Billion in 2008 bucks. My guess is this is just another EBJ (Error by Journalist)
I think you are likely correct, but to play devil's advocate, maybe a lower square footage due to the thin profile, or the fact that it's a straight tower with no protruding features reduces costs in some way?
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^ Only $700 Million?? That seems quite low for a tower of this magnitude. Vista is pegged at $1 Billion. Trump Tower was also $1 Billion in 2008 bucks. My guess is this is just another EBJ (Error by Journalist)
Lee Golub also said $700MM on a video call with the Plan Commission and Alderman Burnett.
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^ Only $700 Million?? That seems quite low for a tower of this magnitude. Vista is pegged at $1 Billion. Trump Tower was also $1 Billion in 2008 bucks. My guess is this is just another EBJ (Error by Journalist)
This number is easily sourced if you cared to spend like 30 seconds looking into it. But sure, it’s a reporters fault.


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Haha my bad this time, but it's typically safe to assume poor journalism.

Do you at least agree that $700MM is low for a tower of this size?
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It does seem like a low cost for an American Built super tower. Also, it will be the USA's fifth tallest after 111 W 57th unless the 1442' measurement comes back into play.
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It does seem like a low cost for an American Built super tower. Also, it will be the USA's fifth tallest after 111 W 57th unless the 1442' measurement comes back into play.
All depends on the final height of 270 Park.
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Love it! Best tower that will rise in many years.
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