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Old Posted Jan 4, 2019, 7:37 PM
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Well... the 4 story underground garage may throw a wrench into this. All bets are off once you start digging deep underground. But a top-down construction method would allow the tower to start rising before the basement levels are fully excavated.

Also, I'm not sure if there is power infrastructure under the alley that needs relocated... over here, ComEd (Meade) is months behind on relocating the alley power lines to make way for 167 N Green.
You are such a Debbie Downer...
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Nice info Mikemak27!
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Pretty sure a project like this has everything laid out just fine, i wonder what the complexities of going underground for the parking garage right by the subway there are.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2019, 3:30 AM
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Pretty sure a project like this has everything laid out just fine, i wonder what the complexities of going underground for the parking garage right by the subway there are.
They need to be careful with the installation of their earth retention system. idk how close the line is but if its close they would probably need to use cased secant piles but diaphragm wall would also work. At Echelon Seaport (in Boston) they had a train line split the site in 2 and they had to do soil mixing along the tunnel to stabilize the ground before they could install the diaphragm wall. If its top down I don't think they actually need to use bracing/tiebacks (tiebacks are out of question with adjacent tunnels anyways) because once they build a floor it holds the wall up
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They need to be careful with the installation of their earth retention system. idk how close the line is but if its close they would probably need to use cased secant piles but diaphragm wall would also work. At Echelon Seaport (in Boston) they had a train line split the site in 2 and they had to do soil mixing along the tunnel to stabilize the ground before they could install the diaphragm wall. If its top down I don't think they actually need to use bracing/tiebacks (tiebacks are out of question with adjacent tunnels anyways) because once they build a floor it holds the wall up
Well, that part of the tower and podium are set back from State street, so I wouldn't be surprised if the throw-in pocket park/plaza was made with this issue in mind. Gives them the space needed to avoid worrying about the subway and therefore spending extra money.
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Well, that part of the tower and podium are set back from State street, so I wouldn't be surprised if the throw-in pocket park/plaza was made with this issue in mind. Gives them the space needed to avoid worrying about the subway and therefore spending extra money.
Very astute Sir!
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Thanks for the bonus shot of the Bush Temple addition topping out. That was fast. I'm really loving all the fine grained development in this part of River North
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Woof... that tower on the other side of Dearborn in that picture there is disgusting. Looks like it was designed by an agoraphobic architect... There are basically no windows!
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 PM
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^ Even worse than the tower is its parking garage
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^ Even worse than the tower is its parking garage
Yeah, at street level that building is terrible. Good thing there will be OCS to balance it out in the immediate area.
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Mustn't forget it's TWO substantial towers. We'd be happy with the office tower alone, if it were located here or just about anywhere else.
I feel like an old timer (which I'm not even close to being), but do many of you remember that it wasn't long ago that River North was mostly low slung buildings and otherwise a sea of parking lots?

I mean, that has transformed within 2 decades, and this particular project will be a major exclamation point of that process. The Holy Name lot is a hole in what is otherwise becoming a cohesive urban fabric north of the river. Who cares if it's 25 feet too short of some arbitrary measure? But whatever, I know that there are some OCD types out there who just won't bother to change their minds...

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I feel like an old timer (which I'm not even close to being), but do many of you remember that it wasn't long ago that River North was mostly low slung buildings and otherwise a sea of parking lots?

I mean, that has transformed within 2 decades, and this particular project will be a major exclamation point of that process. The Holy Name lot is a hole in what is otherwise becoming a cohesive urban fabric north of the river. Who cares if it's 25 feet too short of some arbitrary measure? But whatever, I know that there are some OCD types out there who just won't bother to change their minds...
Yep, it's an unbelievable transformation.
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Old Posted Jan 10, 2019, 5:02 PM
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^ You don't have to even be much of an old timer.

As recently as the early 2000s River North was like that. It's changed so dramatically and quickly that it's no surprise that people who haven't been to Chicago in a while still envision it as just the Loop and the Mag Mile.
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I feel like an old timer (which I'm not even close to being), but do many of you remember that it wasn't long ago that River North was mostly low slung buildings and otherwise a sea of parking lots?
Yes. . . and unfortunately the majority of the buildings that have been erected in River North over the last few decades have less aesthetic quality than those surface level parking lots. . .

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Yep, it's an unbelievable transformation.
I'm not yet 30 years old but I can remember River North (and lots of Streeterville) being a sea of parking lots.
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I'm not yet 30 years old but I can remember River North (and lots of Streeterville) being a sea of parking lots.
In about 2001-2002, I lived at 1421 N Dearborn and worked in the Loop. Sometimes I'd take the 156/LaSalle bus, sometimes I'd just take a cab.

A memory taking the 156 is seeing a bunch of vintage cars parked in a lot that was the NW corner of LaSalle and Kinzie for the filming of Road to Perdition. Shortly after they were done, the apartment building there started construction.

And when talking a taxi home north on Dearborn, I have lots of memories of all the condo buildings that sprouted up between Kinzie and Huron. It was a super-exciting time to be in Chicago
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2019, 7:47 AM
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Woof... that tower on the other side of Dearborn in that picture there is disgusting. Looks like it was designed by an agoraphobic architect... There are basically no windows!
The picture makes it look worse than it is. It's not a great building, but it's not windowless. I hope someday they build over that buildings parking garage fronting Chicago Ave, too, it really sucks the life out of that block.
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The picture makes it look worse than it is. It's not a great building, but it's not windowless. I hope someday they build over that buildings parking garage fronting Chicago Ave, too, it really sucks the life out of that block.
That is a rental tower. And, at least based on the signage, it appears the garage would be part of that property. So at some point, someone should be able to make a business case to construct another tower. Maybe any renters using the existing garage can make use of the OCS garage.
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