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Old Posted Dec 16, 2017, 12:51 PM
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^ I feel like for the most part all of Chicago's office towers are Banal with some exceptions...We kinda get stuck in that height of 700ft to 750 ft range and blue glass boss
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2017, 3:41 PM
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^^ what a shame that stepped back profile was one of the few distinguishing characteristics of what is now a pretty banal glass tower.
I Think it's beautiful, and I prefer the two step design to the three. The faceted facade is the real show stopper.
     
     
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I think both versions are a big yawn but i'm happy it's 800'
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2017, 1:30 AM
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Does anyone else think the base looks slightly VE'd? Hard to tell nonetheless.
     
     
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Maybe stengthened instead of VEd. They may have realized those support columns couldn't go into such a thin floor and they needed a transfer floor type structure. That's how I see it.
     
     
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I liked the three step a lot more than two, but whatever.

Talked to my friends who work at GGP, they're moving out today I believe, they were all packed up last week and I believe demo starts right away aside from whatever the feds are doing and the corp of engineers.
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Chicago Architecture Blog has a rendering I haven't seen of the new 2-tiered design. It doesn't seem as awkward to me- could be the angle.


https://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/...ore-its-built/
     
     
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Chicago Architecture Blog has a rendering I haven't seen of the new 2-tiered design. It doesn't seem as awkward to me- could be the angle.


https://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/...ore-its-built/
It's a pity they didn't go with a tiered design on the south side of the building as well.

That would've given the building a bit of a art deco look. In keeping with the neighboring Civic Opera House.
     
     
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^ I feel like for the most part all of Chicago's office towers are Banal with some exceptions...We kinda get stuck in that height of 700ft to 750 ft range and blue glass boss
I agree with you. Houston has the same problem. Ugh.
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i prefer the original 3 step-back design over the current 2 step-back iteration.

but the new design isn't terrible or a deal-breaker IMO, it's just a little less graceful.
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for the purposes of comparison, over the past 25 years, chicago has built 14 major office towers (i'm defining "major office tower" as anything over 20 floors to differentiate them from the many Fifield west loop "econo-boxes").

if built to a height of 800+ feet, 110 N wacker would be the tallest office tower to be built in chicago in over a generation.



here are the 14 major office towers built in chicago over the past 25 years:


1. 300 N Lasalle - 784 ft.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/



2. 150 N Riverside - 752 ft.

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3. BCBS - 744 ft.

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4. 200 N Riverside - 732 ft.

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5. 111 S Wacker - 681 ft.

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6. Hyatt Center - 679 ft.

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7. UBS Tower - 652 ft.

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8. 155 N Wacker - 638 ft.

source: http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/buil...th-wacker/1862



9. 353 N Clark - 624 ft.

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10. Citadel Center - 580 ft.

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11. One South Dearborn - 571 ft.

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12. CNA Center - 568 ft.

source: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...217443&page=19



13. 191 N Wacker - 516 ft.

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14. Bank of America Plaza - 453 ft.

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That rendering with the two tier design looks really g!

Not mad at that......
     
     
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Not only are the new office buildings all between 700 and 750 feet, but the new cars brought into the city seem to be between 160 and 220 inches long. It's almost as if there's some limit imposed by economy and practicality. Where the hell are the superlongs?
     
     
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Not only are the new office buildings all between 700 and 750 feet, but the new cars brought into the city seem to be between 160 and 220 inches long. It's almost as if there's some limit imposed by economy and practicality. Where the hell are the superlongs?
Well, you have you BLACK stretch...
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It's a pity they didn't go with a tiered design on the south side of the building as well.

That would've given the building a bit of a art deco look. In keeping with the neighboring Civic Opera House.
I agree. Symmetrical tiering on both sides and to accommodate for the floor space taken away by the tiering, increase the overall height of the building.
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300 N Lasalle remains the best-looking office tower of the new crops.
     
     
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Not only are the new office buildings all between 700 and 750 feet, but the new cars brought into the city seem to be between 160 and 220 inches long. It's almost as if there's some limit imposed by economy and practicality. Where the hell are the superlongs?
Economy, practicality... and NIMBY's and wayward aldermen...

Let's not pretend all height restrictions have been because of natural market forces.
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Economy, practicality... and NIMBY's and wayward aldermen...

Let's not pretend all height restrictions have been because of natural market forces.
in the specific cases of the 14 major office towers that have been built in chicago over the last 2 decades, i don't recall any of them being shortened due to NIMBYism/panderhackic privilege.

the heights of office buildings recently built in downtown chicago really do seem to be driven almost exclusively by market forces.
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in the specific cases of the 14 major office towers that have been built in chicago over the last 2 decades, i don't recall any of them being shortened due to NIMBYism/panderhackic privilege.

the heights of office buildings recently built in downtown chicago really do seem to be driven almost exclusively by market forces.
I agree. Taller towers are more expensive to build, and real estate developers understandably want to make profits just like any other business.
     
     
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300 N Lasalle remains the best-looking office tower of the new crops.
Agreed. I love the vertical fins and clear glass.
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