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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:05 AM
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What city is that?
Reminds me of Downtown Salt Lake City.
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Does anyone know if NEMA phase 2 is anywhere near happening? I can’t even find a NEMA thread on this forum.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:53 AM
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Well, every building doesn't need to be a large, hulking block. There are plenty of reasons to 'break up the massing', not just aesthetic ones either.
Massing is massing. Offsetting the facade rhythm from floor to floor doesn't change that. It is nothing more than a crutch for those afraid to embrace the inherent geometry of a high rise.

That said, it is still very early. I reserve my judgement until the scheme is further developed.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 1:35 PM
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Well, every building doesn't need to be a large, hulking block. There are plenty of reasons to 'break up the massing', not just aesthetic ones either.
I'd be interested to learn the reasons breaking up the massing is more than just aesthetic. Ease of cleaning the exterior of windows certainly isn't one.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 2:59 PM
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It's no more hulking than 167 N. Green to the east across the street.
True. But 167 N. Green is not very elegant. It's an awkward fatso designed for the sole purpose of maxing out floorplates. The mews are kinda cool, but the overall massing is a blob.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 3:13 PM
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I'd be interested to learn the reasons breaking up the massing is more than just aesthetic. Ease of cleaning the exterior of windows certainly isn't one.
Economics, site restrictions or irregularly shaped sites, poor or inconsistent soil/site conditions, need to maintain specific view corridors, zoning considerations/FAR restrictions, structural system considerations, easement or right-of-way restrictions, placating neighbors or government entities, among many others..
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Economics, site restrictions or irregularly shaped sites, poor or inconsistent soil/site conditions, need to maintain specific view corridors, zoning considerations/FAR restrictions, structural system considerations, easement or right-of-way restrictions, placating neighbors or government entities, among many others..
Economics: worse - higher costs to offset massing, post construction as well/maintenance
site restriction: ground floor parameters matters the same for both, only first offset is required (1000 S. Mich)
poor soil/site conditions: same for both, maybe even worse for offsetting
zoning: ??
structural: worse
easement: ground floor only (depending)
Placating government entities: huh?

I'll concede maybe there is more to know about the advantages of offsetting massing other than aesthetics. Which can be very cool. (ie:Rubenstein Forum)
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:07 PM
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The west side of this thing is a hulking block ...the south side of it overwhelms the small buildings on Randolph. Sorry, not really liking how it fits that area.
Agree. It seems way too massive. The volume looks clumsily divided and arranged, but from ground level in real life maybe it would feel right (not holding my breath on that). All the architectural acrobatics in the world aren't going to nullify the sheer size of this thing. I wish the pro forma for WL was low-to-mid-teens floor counts with interesting designs that pull back from the lot edge as they rise (like some in Chelsea in Manhattan) rather than these ill-conceived attempts at size deception.
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Economics: worse - higher costs to offset massing, post construction as well/maintenance
Private outdoor spaces and terraces add a lot of value that is captured in higher rents.

Apartments rent for more if they have a pool deck, hotels can charge more, and even office tenants now see value in outdoor spaces.

Also not sure you really do have higher costs, so long as you can carry your loads to grade and you don't need to rely on cantilevers or transfer beams. There's some cost to waterproofing and thermalizing the terrace area, but this is small compared to the value that is added with usable outdoor space (ymmv of course).

All downtown towers end up as some form of tower on podium, because parking areas need to fill the lot for efficiency while towers want to step back from the lot lines for natural light and views. In the cases where it isn't a tower on a podium, it's because they elected not to do parking, or because they simply pushed the podium underground.
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Private outdoor spaces and terraces add a lot of value that is captured in higher rents.

Apartments rent for more if they have a pool deck, hotels can charge more, and even office tenants now see value in outdoor spaces.

Also not sure you really do have higher costs, so long as you can carry your loads to grade and you don't need to rely on cantilevers or transfer beams. There's some cost to waterproofing and thermalizing the terrace area, but this is small compared to the value that is added with usable outdoor space (ymmv of course).

All downtown towers end up as some form of tower on podium, because parking areas need to fill the lot for efficiency while towers want to step back from the lot lines for natural light and views. In the cases where it isn't a tower on a podium, it's because they elected not to do parking, or because they simply pushed the podium underground.
Good point about the value of outdoor spaces. Originally, I had the more common practice of "twisting" the massing sections like a spun Jenga tower when debating any advantages other than aesthetics. And, who knows, maybe that goes a long way for selling units. Whatever the case, it looks like that fashion will be here a while.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2022, 3:17 PM
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I don't mind the new look for 630 S. Wabash:
https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/m...ets-fresh-look

The previous design had a lot more metal panels, which tend to look like crap on most Chicago projects.
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May have jumped the gun on sharing lol. We have to wait for the press release next week. Then I'll make the video live again.

My visualization studio was hired to create marketing material for 311 W. Huron in River North. We created this animation of the building featuring the leasing team in a way that allowed them to tour you through a building that doesn't exist yet. Excited to finally get to show this content off!


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We might as well make a thread for this development, even if it isn't 500 ft. We should probably do the same for other +400 ft development in West Loop, since the highrise thread is now basically a West Loop thread
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I'd like the hotel component tucked beneath the residential tower to lower the southern wing that overlooks Randolph. Though I know they probably want seperate pools and facilities.
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The high slab south side should go against the tracks instead. Or just have 2 leaner taller towers.
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Saw a red crane going up 160 Elizabeth (I think). Also noticed soil testing at the Ryder Truck lot in Fulton.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2022, 9:36 PM
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I'm very surprised this one is being so critiqued on here. I feel like this is so well done. Also think of how dense this will make Randolph to Fulton/Peoria to Halsted. I'm trying to not set myself up for disappointment if given a haircut/VE'd.
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Its impossible for me to be able to keep track of all this West Loop/Fulton Market madness. Build it all, damnit!

The Bridgford Foods development looks great! Wish they would go taller, but I won't complain. 470' is still epic for this part of town ... although in 5 years it might be on the low end
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