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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 3:39 AM
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The land was bought last month by Post Road Group, a connecticut company that has never done business in arizona and doesn't disclose the projects they've developed. I suspect by their "$1 billion+ invested" claim is that a high-rise project on that would be out of their league as a tower would be a lot of exposure for them on top of their non real-estate investment activities.

There are no relevant permits for the site, and the VeLa name is already attached to a different company who I suppose could be retained as a development or capital partner but I don't know.

I'm skeptical of anything happening anytime soon on that lot, especially when it takes a like year after a preliminary application conference (PAPP) before a project starts moving.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 3:57 AM
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Is anyone aware of a project known as VeLa Roosevelt on the NEC of Pierce and Central Ave? It was brought to my attention recently from a reputable source but this is the only info I have at this time. Can anyone work their magic?
It's a planned tower, approximately 25 stories with what sounds like Microunits. The parcel does not have any crazy issues that would delay progress, contractor is apparently already selected (no clue who as of yet), but planning on submitting prelim shortly and they have a tight schedule with anticipated groundbreaking late Q3 this year. That is doable, but really aggressive, so I would give a couple months buffer in my opinion. Developer is apparently doing 3-5 projects across the country, but Phoenix is furthest along since they own the land.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 7:42 AM
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Is anyone aware of a project known as VeLa Roosevelt on the NEC of Pierce and Central Ave? It was brought to my attention recently from a reputable source but this is the only info I have at this time. Can anyone work their magic?
Isn’t that the Farmers Market? Is it actually the Southeast corner?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 11:18 AM
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The other corner to the direct south is held by the same land bankers that have held that part of Downtown for a year or so.

I'm skeptical about any potential of near-term developments on the 701 N Central parcel because there's absolutely nothing that's publicly available to justify it and enough to discredit it. The new owner speaks, or rather doesn't, for themselves.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 3:07 PM
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It's a planned tower, approximately 25 stories with what sounds like Microunits. The parcel does not have any crazy issues that would delay progress, contractor is apparently already selected (no clue who as of yet), but planning on submitting prelim shortly and they have a tight schedule with anticipated groundbreaking late Q3 this year. That is doable, but really aggressive, so I would give a couple months buffer in my opinion. Developer is apparently doing 3-5 projects across the country, but Phoenix is furthest along since they own the land.
Sounds promising. Thanks for the update!
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It's a planned tower, approximately 25 stories with what sounds like Microunits. The parcel does not have any crazy issues that would delay progress, contractor is apparently already selected (no clue who as of yet), but planning on submitting prelim shortly and they have a tight schedule with anticipated groundbreaking late Q3 this year. That is doable, but really aggressive, so I would give a couple months buffer in my opinion. Developer is apparently doing 3-5 projects across the country, but Phoenix is furthest along since they own the land.
Are you allowed to disclose your source?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 3:34 PM
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Are you allowed to disclose your source?
People involved in the projects normally, but always varies.
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People involved in the projects normally, but always varies.
Any renderings you may be able to share? Like how you were able to for X Phase 2?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 4:00 PM
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A smaller developer buying the land outside of entitlements or escrow and starting a tower in 9 months while working in several markets in this economic environment sounds way beyond even 2006-level malarkey.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Any renderings you may be able to share? Like how you were able to for X Phase 2?
Speaking of X2, I just received my 2nd records request on it today...which is pretty much the same old documents from 2018. It seems to be getting increasingly harder to get any information on developments from the City of Phoenix. I don't have this problem with Tempe or other cities. Hopefully, the new system (SHAPE PHX) they push out here in another month will be better and easier to get the information we need. Very frustrating.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 4:34 PM
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Any renderings you may be able to share? Like how you were able to for X Phase 2?
I don't think they even have renderings at this point, normally in early stages you are working on unit mix/layout and the exterior comes later. I doubt they fully develop renderings until PSP submittal.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 4:40 PM
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Speaking of X2, I just received my 2nd records request on it today...which is pretty much the same old documents from 2018. It seems to be getting increasingly harder to get any information on developments from the City of Phoenix. I don't have this problem with Tempe or other cities. Hopefully, the new system (SHAPE PHX) they push out here in another month will be better and easier to get the information we need. Very frustrating.
I hear ya. It's been like pulling teeth when I submit public requests as well. Was trying to get some info to see where the city was with the plans for Convention Center South Building and received the following response (nice to see it's still alive):

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One of the key recommendations from the Convention Center Market Study was to undertake a convention/entertainment district planning effort to build on efforts to grow a critical mass of walkable restaurant, retail and hospitality density near the Phoenix Convention Center. This is essential to support the long-term expansion needs of the PCC on the site as defined in the market study. Currently, the City plans to initiate the entertainment district planning effort in Fiscal Year 2022-23.
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I don't think they even have renderings at this point, normally in early stages you are working on unit mix/layout and the exterior comes later. I doubt they fully develop renderings until PSP submittal.
Thanks anyways!
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 4:46 PM
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A smaller developer buying the land outside of entitlements or escrow and starting a tower in 9 months while working in several markets in this economic environment sounds way beyond even 2006-level malarkey.
The situation now vs 2006 isnt even comparable.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2022, 9:50 PM
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PHX Gives 1st OK to Another Complex on SDLE Border

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The situation now vs 2006 isnt even comparable.
I totally agree. Totally different factors at play...but I digress. I don't want to face a similar fate...

In other news, keep these coming!

https://azbex.com/phx-gives-1st-ok-t...tsdale-border/
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Phoenix’s Paradise Valley Village Planning Committee has recommended the five-story, 261-unit Davis Kierland luxury apartment development for approval. This marks the third development near the Phoenix-Scottsdale border around Kierland to advance in recent months.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 3:34 AM
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I don't think they even have renderings at this point, normally in early stages you are working on unit mix/layout and the exterior comes later. I doubt they fully develop renderings until PSP submittal.
Are these demo requests related to the project you referenced?

http://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/S...Number=2200032
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:04 AM
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^ Those are still owned by the same guy who's been marketing that stretch of Central for a while.

End of an era for the Phoenix Market Café and Pizza Hut buildings.
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 4:24 AM
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^ Those are still owned by the same guy who's been marketing that stretch of Central for a while.

End of an era for the Phoenix Market Café and Pizza Hut buildings.
Did the phoenix public market cafe close? Sad if so. Was a great place and i thought that was an interesting and good reno and use of a generally unspectacular historic building
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 6:58 AM
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It’s back open, at least on Saturday
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2022, 8:27 AM
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Did the phoenix public market cafe close? Sad if so. Was a great place and i thought that was an interesting and good reno and use of a generally unspectacular historic building
Yeah, it's been closed since September 2020. They do still hold the DTPHX Farmer's Market there each Saturday.
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