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Old Dixie BBQ Menu on Worthpoint

[There's a couple of OLD DIXIE menus on WORTHPOINT.COM here:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...mammy-menu-l-a

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-los-695394416

I'm sorry, I have no idea how to get the photos on Noirish Los Angeles.

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1891 LA County Courthouse's outside elevator and its first operator

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By far the clearest/sharpest photograph of the early Court House that I have ever seen. I imagine it was taken the same day in 1899 as the Detroit Photographic Co. panorama photos, posted previously by MichaelRyerson.


Denver Public Library Digital Collections (cropped, rotated, minor spot-fixes)

Hop over to the source page and play with the magnify function! You'll be amazed at just how intricate the stonework was in this great old edifice...

I was dismayed to learn recently that this and the other William Henry Jackson photos of Los Angeles, formerly at the Denver Public Library,
are no longer hosted there. Also gone are this 1887 panorama (CHS.J3927 and CHS.J3928) and this 1901 image (CHS.J3108) looking north
from 3rd and Broadway, among others.

My inquiry to the DPL about the photos received this answer: "Unfortunately, those photos belong to History Colorado and, after the move to
our new system, we are no longer hosting them. Hopefully, they will become available through the HC website." Maybe if enough of us contact
History Colorado we'll get to see the photos again!


UPDATE: I phoned History Colorado where a helpful representative directed me to this link . . . if you enter "Los Angeles" next to "All Title"
you will get the WH Jackson photos of Los Angeles, though unfortunately in low resolution only. The object ID numbers from the Denver Public
Library no longer seem to work . . . the 1887 panorama, which was CHS.J3927 and CHS.J3928, is now 86.200.7000 and 86.200.7001.


About the above courthouse photo . . . it appears the strip of grass above the excavation for the tunnel, which led to the elevator (the cab is
at the second floor), is still growing in. So the picture was likely taken in early, rather than late, 1899:




The tunnel was built in the second half of 1898, around the same time as the outside elevator:



May 24, 1898, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC via UC Riverside


The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors named Benjamin F. Talbot the first operator of the courthouse's outside elevator:



December 8, 1898, Los Angeles Herald @ Newspapers.com


There were some problems with the new elevator's power and controlling that power. It was written that Talbot's most faithful friend
"could hardly predict success for him in his new position":



December 14, 1898, Los Angeles Record @ Newspapers.com


A little over a year later, Talbot was killed when he fell to the bottom of the elevator shaft:





February 18, 1900, Los Angeles Times @ Newspapers.com


Read more about Benjamin Franklin Talbot here.

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Old Posted Apr 11, 2024, 9:16 PM
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Excellent observations, Flyingwedge. ..I'll contact the Denver Public Library as well.

Contact DPL Here. Easy Peasy.

I plan to do a couple of posts later today - so everyone check back.
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Here's a one-of-a-kind snapshot that included the wooden steps leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (1920s?)


eBay

We've probably already covered this but does anyone know when -and why- the steps were removied?


update:oops.

I see that the seller says this is Long Beach. If Long Beach had wooden stairs
I had forgotten all about them.
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e_r, I think the site of the steps is in the distance in this shot:


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I believe the house in your picture on the top of the bluff of which we can see a corner above the hamburger stand is the smaller, more distant, structure in my pic. Maybe it's my imagination, but I think I can see a hint of the stairs in my pic--not the dark blotch at center, but a little farther.
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Is that the Myers/Bixby mansion on the bluff? If those are the same stairs, they were just west of the mansion, as seen in this c. 1929 aerial.
That's Bixby Park at the top of the photo. I've arrowed the foot of the stairs; the building to the left seems to match e_r's photo:



IN-G-1921-A @ Historical Society of Long Beach


Here is a closer look at the stairs:


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Is that the Myers/Bixby mansion on the bluff? [...]
Yes!


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Thanks for your help odinthor & Flyingwedge. I appreciate it, guys.


Here's another intriguing Long Beach snapshot.

There appears to be a short wooden bridge and atop the hill a wall with a huge gate(?).


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This one is truly baffling, and I'm not talking about her choice of patterns. (I acutally like what she's wearing)



The back.



Look at all that writing that is covered up. I wonder if a scientist . . oh, nevermind.



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Here's a faded color snapshot of Pasadena dated May 1972.


eBay

I couldn't help but noticed the hotel sign on the roof of the building in the foreground. Does anyone know what hotel that is . . .or whether or not it's still there?



Here's a closer look.



It appears the name is below the word hotel on the sign but I can't make it.

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e_r, it's the Hotel Livingstone, listed at 123 S. Los Robles, Pasadena.

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Here's a one-of-a-kind snapshot that included the wooden steps leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (1920s?)


eBay

We've probably already covered this but does anyone know when -and why- the steps were removied?


update:oops.

I see that the seller says this is Long Beach. If Long Beach had wooden stairs
I had forgotten all about them.
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e_r, This turns out to be very close to or perhaps the same location as another set of wooden stairs in Long Beach you posted in a group of eBay photographs back in January. The location of that photo was identified as what is now Bluff Place in Long Beach.

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At first I thought it showed the construction of the road leading down to the beach in Santa Monica. (end of RT. 66, right?) But on closer inspection I believe that isn't the case.

Does it look familiar to anyone? . . . obviously the best clue is the large apartment buildig on the left.

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A mystery location.


Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.


"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"



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eBay


The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?


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e_r, it's the Hotel Livingstone, listed at 123 S. Los Robles, Pasadena.

Thanks, odinthor...And I see that it still has the same rooftop sign.





I wondered what that little 'loop' was at the top of the sign - now I see that it is the top of the elongated L in Livingstone but it only works if you're looking at it in the opposite direction.

Like here.

....................................................Ta Dah



More about the Livingstone at toplacondos
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A mystery location.

Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.

"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"


eBay

The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?
According to this 1915 advert, the Clara Barton Hospital was at 447 S Olive Street. More info at link below the image.


www.oldhomesoflosangeles.org
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Excellent!..Thanks, Hoss.


Here's one more snapshot for today.


Seller's description:.1931 vintage PHOTO MEAT MARKET interior FIGUEROA + 43rd Los Angeles


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Note the sawdust on the floor. (to soak up the blood)


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According to this 1915 advert, the Clara Barton Hospital was at 447 S Olive Street. More info at link below the image.


www.oldhomesoflosangeles.org

It was previously known as the Deaconess Hospital. I don't know when it was built or when the name changed:



1904 LA City Directory @ fold3.com
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Excellent!..Thanks, Hoss.


Here's one more snapshot for today.


Seller's description:.1931 vintage PHOTO MEAT MARKET interior FIGUEROA + 43rd Los Angeles


eBay

Note the sawdust on the floor. (to soak up the blood)


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This is likely Mr. Ernest J. Hamer Sr. in his butcher shop at 4313 S. Figueroa St, he would have been age 35 here....his parents, Adolph and Gertrude Hamer, operated a grocery business adjacent at 4311 S. Figueroa...the joint enterprise was known as Hamer & Son as per the 1927 street directory....






1929 CD....





Note that Ernest is shown in business with his wife Viola....Ernest married the former Viola Rees on 1/19/1914 (image courtesy FamilySearch)....






...the family home was a few blocks away at 400 W. 47th St....1920 census....






....the storefronts were constructed in 1922....






....Ernest Hamer Sr. died in 1967.....






The buildings on Figueroa are gone, as is the family home, which was in the path of the 110 Fwy.
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Excellent sleuthing, riichkay. .. Thank you.



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It was previously known as the Deaconess Hospital, 447 South Olive St. I don't know when it was built or when the name changed.
It all gets a bit more confusing because there appears to have been a Deaconess Home on the corner of Sunset and Custer that was being turned into a hospital in 1907.


Los Angeles Herald - March 14, 1907




The Plot Thickens.

I just found this earlier article (from March 9, 1904) that places the Deaconess Home at the corner of Custer and Bellevue Ave.


Los Angeles Herald

I wonder which corner is the correct one. . . .. Sunset Blvd. and Custer - or - Custer and Bellevue?
(of course this is an entirely different issue from the Clara Barton / Deanconess Hospital downtown at 447 S. Olive Street)



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A mystery location.


Here are a couple of interesting snapshots that have shown up recently on eBay.


"1914 My Baby Girl Born Here Clara Barton Hospital Los Angeles CA"



eBay




eBay


The hospital doesn't look familiar and neither does the surrounding area.

Where was this hospital located?


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e_r, it was located here:


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That's the Auditorium at right, and the Auditorium Hotel at left.
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This is likely Mr. Ernest J. Hamer Sr. in his butcher shop at 4313 S. Figueroa St, he would have been age 35 here....his parents, Adolph and Gertrude Hamer, operated a grocery business adjacent at 4311 S. Figueroa...the joint enterprise was known as Hamer & Son as per the 1927 street directory....
I think you're spot on riichkay.

Here's the father Adolph in 1906 when he had a restaurant on S. Main St.



https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...6/adolph_hamer





Spot Ernest's distinctive arched eyebrow just like his Da.




In 1920 Ernest had an idea for wrapping ice cream cones in a sanitary manner.



patents.google.com



Adolph Hamer was one of the good guys.



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