CHICAGO | Salesforce Tower | 850 FT | 60 FLOORS

[thegoatman]

Man New York sprouts supertalls like its nothing, must be nice. We're lucky to get one once a decade, and that's if its not downsized.

[chicubs111]

Pretty much NY sprouts supertalls that Chicago sprouts 400 to 500 ft buildings about... I remember the days when NY pretty much doubled what Chicago did with regards to skyscrapers...now its pretty much 4 to 5 X...not that were not doing great relative to other cities...but NY just went to another stratosphere in the last 15 years

[Briguy]

Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker

Additionally JP Morgan's 270 Park Ave building u/c in NYC is planned to be 1,388 ft at 58 floors! That's 24 ft per floor vs 14 ft for this (though 14' is more in line with most office heights). I've never heard of floor plates that high. It sounds like it's going to be a palace. Makes me dream that Salesforce could have added 2 ft per floor or something lol.

The trading flooors are probably triple height. So 10=400 ft it’s probably more similar to a 85-90 story regular building.

[rivernorthlurker]

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

There are so many proposed or u/c office towers in NYC with absurd height relative to their floor count.

Project Commodore, 1,565 ft, proposed, 83 floors
270 Park Avenue, 1,388 ft, u/c, 57 floors
PENN 15, 1,270 ft, proposed, 67 floors
The Spiral, 1,041 ft, u/c, 66 floors
50 Hudson Yards, 1,011 ft, u/c, 58 floors
3 Hudson Blvd, 987 ft, 53 floors

Thanks for the comparison. I had no idea about this. Is this like a new trend in building designs? 270 Park is still the outlier at 24ft/floor but a lot of those others are substantial. Where is all the space going...

I found this schematic on https://newyorkyimby.com/2019/11/new...rk-avenue.html even though it's a bit dated and the new building is taller but I imagine the distribution of space is similar.

The color code floors by office/trading/mechanical. The trading are a bit higher than the office but looks like the plethora of amenities will have huge floors and the mechanical seem massive as well. Adding all the amenity heights is probably 600+ ft.



The multi floor amenity levels with trees and the top are going to be incredible in my opinion. This building isn't built just for function, this is going to be a monument to capitalism and a wonder of the 21st century world lol.

[dewbs]

Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker

That would be Kirkland and Ellis but I hadn't heard about any delays.

I don't know about the delays or anything Kirkland asked for. I mentioned a few pages back, though, that they take their conference centers very seriously -- they want home field advantage in meetings and to impress clients -- and I would expect that they'd want an extra-tall floor somewhere.

If you walk past 300 N Lasalle, you can see their conference center -- it's the floor with the balcony and the one above it.

For reference, here's a description from an article about a ridiculous private equity battle (link):

Kirkland had a famously impressive set-up for such high-stakes meetings. Entire floors in the Citigroup Center in midtown Manhattan consisted of conference room after conference room, where white marble hallways lined by floor-to-ceiling wood panels gave way to larger open spaces and sprawling views of the city.

From "Apollo, Caesars, and Wall Street’s ‘Billionaire
Brawl’ for Control of a Gaming Empire", by Sujeet Indap & Max Frumes March 17, 2021, Institutional Investor.

[Briguy]

Will be able to tell soon, but the floor spacing on the core DOES look to be a bit wider on the last few floors???

[rivernorthlurker]

Originally Posted by Briguy

Will be able to tell soon, but the floor spacing on the core DOES look to be a bit wider on the last few floors???

Not sure I see it but floors 38/39 are combined into 1 though that is kind of 'accounted for' because they are being counted as 2 floors instead of 1. See the diagram on https://www.333wolfpoint.com/the-icon/. This is also outside of the floors that Salesforce is leasing so maybe this could be 2 floors that Kirkland purchased and asked to be combined (or some other tenant). You can see this in the some of the photos above as well.

In either case, this is gonna be a totally baller space.

PS - If that is indeed Kirkland's 'showcase space' then it's probably unlikely that there will b any surprise 'super floors' left in construction.

[10023]

Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker

That would be Kirkland and Ellis but I hadn't heard about any delays.

I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.

[dewbs]

Originally Posted by 10023

I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.

I don't think it's any particular problem with 300 N Lasalle. They've been upgrading many of their offices. In London they just announced they're leaving the Gherkin after 15 years, which is only a bit more than the time they were in 300 N Lasalle (will end up at about 14 years by the time they move in 2023). the firm just has a lot more money than when they signed the lease in 2007 (i.e. profits per partner are higher by a factor of 2.5).

Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker

Not sure I see it but floors 38/39 are combined into 1 though that is kind of 'accounted for' because they are being counted as 2 floors instead of 1. See the diagram on https://www.333wolfpoint.com/the-icon/.

The stacking plan shows 38-39 as mechanical: https://www.333wolfpoint.com/wp-cont...cking-Plan.pdf

If you're willing to trust the pixels on that plan, 50 is 20% taller than lower floors, and 49 and 51 are both 10% taller. (there are also clearly some taller floors at the top for Salesforce).

Also worth noting that this plan is clearly from before K&E's lease, since it marks half the building as available (it's dated 2/2020). They took, reportedly, 600k sqft, which would be 23-24 floors given that the website reports 25-26k sqft per floor. That would probably imply they're taking 26-50 or 28/29-54 (recall the two mechanical floors on 38-39). If the latter, 50 and 51 would be natural conference floors, since there's a terrace on 51. So then all that's available to rent is 26-28 or 51-54. (also obviously possible their floors aren't contiguous, with the staff at the bottom and a gap in the middle; they did that at 300 N Lasalle).

[bnk]

Originally Posted by 10023

I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.

K&E had that tower built for them. Before that they were in the AON building.

[chris08876]

DSC_2748 by carpe|noctem, on Flickr

[harryc]

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Transfer floor

[rivernorthlurker]

Originally Posted by dewbs

I don't think it's any particular problem with 300 N Lasalle. They've been upgrading many of their offices. In London they just announced they're leaving the Gherkin after 15 years, which is only a bit more than the time they were in 300 N Lasalle (will end up at about 14 years by the time they move in 2023). the firm just has a lot more money than when they signed the lease in 2007 (i.e. profits per partner are higher by a factor of 2.5).



The stacking plan shows 38-39 as mechanical: https://www.333wolfpoint.com/wp-cont...cking-Plan.pdf

If you're willing to trust the pixels on that plan, 50 is 20% taller than lower floors, and 49 and 51 are both 10% taller. (there are also clearly some taller floors at the top for Salesforce).

Also worth noting that this plan is clearly from before K&E's lease, since it marks half the building as available (it's dated 2/2020). They took, reportedly, 600k sqft, which would be 23-24 floors given that the website reports 25-26k sqft per floor. That would probably imply they're taking 26-50 or 28/29-54 (recall the two mechanical floors on 38-39). If the latter, 50 and 51 would be natural conference floors, since there's a terrace on 51. So then all that's available to rent is 26-28 or 51-54. (also obviously possible their floors aren't contiguous, with the staff at the bottom and a gap in the middle; they did that at 300 N Lasalle).

Thank you for the correction - I didn't realize those were mechanical... Yeah there are clearly some slightly taller floors (by pixels) at the top but nothing that seems like it would add more than a few feet and not already be included in the original height.

Well it's fun to speculate but now I guess I should just wait a weeks and see what they build.

[10023]

Originally Posted by bnk

K&E had that tower built for them. Before that they were in the AON building.

Yep I remember those offices. But I haven’t been to K&E in Chicago since I went to London.

[dewbs]

Photo from down the street this morning (link):


The mechanical floors on 38-39 seem clearly visible (and they match counting up from the bottom). Counting from there, the heights seem to get a bit taller starting at 50 (not 49...).

[Briguy]

Originally Posted by dewbs

Photo from down the street this morning (link):


The mechanical floors on 38-39 seem clearly visible (and they match counting up from the bottom). Counting from there, the heights seem to get a bit taller starting at 50 (not 49...).

Fingers crossed, but it looks like 51 is taller as well. If all of 51-54 (Kirklands floors not already higher heights as shown in the diagram) are higher, we could be looking at possibly 15-20 extra feet?

[Tombstoner]

Originally Posted by Briguy

Fingers crossed, but it looks like 51 is taller as well. If all of 51-54 (Kirklands floors not already higher heights as shown in the diagram) are higher, we could be looking at possibly 15-20 extra feet?

Off topic: in this photo, striking how the Calatrava sculpture seems to sit in a 3D space defined by the parabolic arch or the building, the sidewalk and reflection of the sidewalk in the building. Of course, that's dependent on the vantagepoint so not designed that way, but cool nonetheless.

[donnie]

Very soon Stonehenge of the America's will be complete.

[BVictor1]

11.02.21

[nomarandlee]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

11.02.21

Very cool. This photo just highlights to me the need to have some sort of sculpture in front of WPS that can match the Calatrava's work at River Point.

I know that originally there was supposed to be some sort of fountain in front of WPS that seems no longer in the cards, I am perfectly Ok with the idea of doing without the fountain but there needs to be something sculptural there.