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Old Posted Jan 31, 2024, 11:38 PM
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Does a Baptist/evangelical culture exist in the Maritimes? They're the largest Protestant group in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia but I don't really associate the region with megachurches etc. Are they notably more religiously committed or they just "Baptists by lineage"?
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2024, 1:02 AM
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Census divisions and counties that are at least 20%+ evangelical/other Christian:


Division No 3 MB (Winkler) 68.2%
Division No 8 NF (Lewisporte) 49.2%
Division No 2 MB (Steinbach) 45.7%
Shelburne NS 37%
Carleton NB 35.6%
Division No 6 NF (Grand Falls-Windsor) 31.4%
Charlotte NB 30.5%
Queens NB 29%
Annapolis NS 28.1%
Elgin ON 26.7%
Division No 17 AB (Slave Lake) 26.1%
Albert NB 25.3%
Division No 8 MB (Theherne) 24.8%
Kings NS 24.5%
Fraser Valley BC 24.4%
Digby NS 23.1%
Yarmouth 23%
Division No 2 AB (Lethbridge) 22.7%
Haldimand-Norfolk ON 22.6%
Division No 7 NF (Bonavista) 22.3%
Peace River BC 22.1%
Division No 8 SK (Swift Current) 20.9%
Division No 5 MB (Killarney) 20.5%
Perth ON 20.3%
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Elgin ON 26.7%
no surprise here. This has got to be one of the churchiest places in churchdom. Churchy, churchy, church!

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Evangelicals and Other Christians

Newfoundland 16.1%
PEI 14.9%
Nova Scotia 14%
New Brunswick 16.4%
Quebec 7.8%
Ontario 13.2%
Manitoba 19.8%
Saskatchewan 15.2%
Alberta 16.8%
BC 13.6%

Outside Quebec, not really a big regional variation. Manitoba is the highest which isn't surprising given that Canada's biggest "Bible belt" is there.
What else could "other Christian" be other than Evangelical? Newfoundland for example has "Salvation Army" as a religion. Would that count?
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2024, 6:14 PM
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Salvation Army is included (under the Methodist and Wesleyan).

I tallied Anabaptists (mostly Mennonites), Baptists, Methodists and Wesleyans (includes Salvation Army), Pentecostals, Reformed, other Christian denominations and unspecified Christians as a proxy for evangelical. Admittedly imperfect since the census doesn't measure religious commitment but religious identity. All these denominations are part of the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada.

The numbers seem reasonable except for Quebec where 8% seems far too high.

Here's the religious classification hierarachy: https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...g.cfm?ID=a2_14

The greater level of specificity (Mennonites within Anabaptist, Salvation Army within Methodist) isn't available at the Census Division level but that's just as well as it would take longer to tally up and probably not radically change the numbers.
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no surprise here. This has got to be one of the churchiest places in churchdom. Churchy, churchy, church!

Aren't those anitvax nutbar Plymouth Brethren folks from those parts?
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Aren't Methodists those who formed the United Church with Presbyterians? Isn't that as mainline Protestant as it gets?
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Aren't those anitvax nutbar Plymouth Brethren folks from those parts?
Yep, from Aylmer. It has nearly as many churches as it does people.
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Aren't Methodists those who formed the United Church with Presbyterians? Isn't that as mainline Protestant as it gets?
The main Methodist Church joined up with half of Presbyterians a century ago to form the United Church. But Salvation Army wasn't part of that and there are some other smaller Methodist evangelical sects.

The distinction between "socially liberal mainline" and "socially conservative evangelical" wasn't really a thing then. Methodists were evangelical at one time but became established.

Methodists/United Church were very prominent in the Social Gospel movement.

There was a split in the Protestant churches between modernists and fundamentalists (over issue of teaching evolution for example). The United Church ended up on the modernist side.
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Ukrainian Christian 53% (Catholic 24%, mainline 9%, Orthodox 6.5%, other 14%), none 45%
This one is a bit of a puzzle. It looks like there's nearly as many Protestants among Ukrainian Canadians as Catholics, and more Protestants than Orthodox Christians. How did that happen as immigrants to the Prairies were mostly (Eastern) Catholic with Orthodox minority? Is it just intermarriage with Protestant groups? It doesn't seem that religion is as tied with ethnic identity as in the case of Poles for example.
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Two churches that I have photographed for work, at the end of last summer in the Eastern Townships.

1. Creek United Church, Bolton Ouest, QC
Built in 1878, still in use.


2. Christ the Saviour Church, Shefford township, QC
Built in 1851-52. Abandoned. The hamlet of Frost Village is believed to be the location where the current town of Waterloo was founded.
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Both are sweet looking. Shame that the stone one sits abandoned rather than converted into a home or something.
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I'm going to have to return to the Eastern Townships sometime this year. I believe some of my ancestors went to that church, I couldn't find the nearby cemetery until recently.
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Both are sweet looking. Shame that the stone one sits abandoned rather than converted into a home or something.
Definitely.

One thing I just thought: are there cemeteries next to many of these small churches? In Ontario they're so often right beside the local church. That one in Shefford, if in this province, would probably have grave sites immediately to the left in that image.
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Definitely.

One thing I just thought: are there cemeteries next to many of these small churches? In Ontario they're so often right beside the local church. That one in Shefford, if in this province, would probably have grave sites immediately to the left in that image.
Just to be clearer (excuse my ESL), but the Frost Village Church is currently in a state of disuse rather than abandoned. It used to be abandoned (there was a fire in the 1970s), until it was renovated by the local historical society.

In general, in the Eastern Townships, the historical societies have been very proactive in keeping the heritage. For example, when a cemetery is inactive for a number of years (50 seems to be the norm), the historical societies will usually become the keepers, whether they are the owners or not (see : Missisquoi historical society). In some cases, municipalities often adopt legislation to take charge of maintenance. Sutton is an example.

As for the Frost Village cemetery, it is not right behind the church. It is located on Clark Hill Road, closer to Waterloo. @urbandreamer, you can find the exact location here.

Rural protestant cemeteries in the Quebec townships were almost never located next to the church. In the early 19th century, it was important that the location of the cemetery would ensure a harmonius passage from life on earth to eternal life. The cemeteries were often established on a high point, a hill, or more broadly in the countryside on a picturesque location, and were generally planted with at least one pine (a sacred tree). You would also very often find periwinkles, since these flowers, like death, were associated to a long peaceful sleep. The graves were also often oriented towards the east. The plots of land were given by families of the community to the parish.
Other times, because of the diverse confessional landscape and the small scale of the communities (you could for example find Wesleyans, Baptists, Anglicans, etc. in the same tiny village), a group would opt for a familial cemetery located directly on a private property. These are quite numerous. Most of them are known, but the inventory is still not complete.
Catholic cemeteries, on the other hand, were generally located right behind the church, as it was assumed that there were no holier sites in the parish. These lands were blessed at the erection of the parish. When the catholic villages grew, cemeteries were often moved at the outskirts of the town, as the bodies inside of the charniers (charnel houses??) would cause public health issues, with the melting snow and spring rains. There was no burial during winter.
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As for the Frost Village cemetery, it is not right behind the church. It is located on Clark Hill Road, closer to Waterloo. @urbandreamer, you can find the exact location here.

Rural protestant cemeteries in the Quebec townships were almost never located next to the church. In the early 19th century, it was important that the location of the cemetery would ensure a harmonius passage from life on earth to eternal life. The cemeteries were often established on a high point, a hill, or more broadly in the countryside on a picturesque location, and were generally planted with at least one pine (a sacred tree). You would also very often find periwinkles, since these flowers, like death, were associated to a long peaceful sleep. The graves were also often oriented towards the east. The plots of land were given by families of the community to the parish.
Other times, because of the diverse confessional landscape and the small scale of the communities (you could for example find Wesleyans, Baptists, Anglicans, etc. in the same tiny village), a group would opt for a familial cemetery located directly on a private property. These are quite numerous. Most of them are known, but the inventory is still not complete.
Catholic cemeteries, on the other hand, were generally located right behind the church, as it was assumed that there were no holier sites in the parish. These lands were blessed at the erection of the parish. When the catholic villages grew, cemeteries were often moved at the outskirts of the town, as the bodies inside of the charniers (charnel houses??) would cause public health issues, with the melting snow and spring rains. There was no burial during winter.
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Ukrainian churches of the Prairies:

https://forgottengalicia.com/ukraini...dian-prairies/
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Montreal has too many churches and a large proportion of them are big and very rich in terms of architecture. This one in the very eastern tip of downtown has been turned into a a culture venue and event space call Théâtre Cartier.

The church, who used to be call Église Saint-Vincent-de-Paul, is not very old (1928), but it is nonetheless very precious for its architecture and intricate interior.

















All pictures: https://www.facebook.com/theatrecartier
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