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View Poll Results: Which Chicago casino proposal is your favorite?
Ballys at Tribune 28 18.67%
Ballys at McCormick 8 5.33%
Hard Rock at One Central 11 7.33%
Rivers at The 78 82 54.67%
Rivers at McCormick 21 14.00%
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Looking forward to the 78 meeting today! I will be there. Anyone else going?
Will it be Livestreamed?
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Looking forward to the 78 meeting today! I will be there. Anyone else going?
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Will it be Livestreamed?
Yes: https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...rame/live.html
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Can't the casinos solve the robbery problem easily by giving people their winnings thru Venmo or Zelle? In 2022 there's no reason people should be walking away from a casino with $100s or $1000s in cash, unless they really really want to.
You know that if you win enough money at a casino, they can cut you a check right? LOL. Some do require cash and others may even have installment payments over time. Not everything needs to be paid out in cash.

Certainly COULD get big payouts in cash but casinos do have options to pay out in check, direct deposit, etc if you're taking home thousands of dollars in winnings to my knowledge.

It would be idiotic to expect someone to be walking around with a briefcase full of $100K and that the casino doesn't have other ways to deal with larger sums like that.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2022, 12:37 AM
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The 78's temporary casino will be on a river boat docked at the site, that's pretty awesome.
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So the new underground 15th st red line station at the 78 is still happening, he confirmed it.
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I didn’t watch the livestream, but reading the commentary on Twitter made it sound pretty bad in terms of opposition, might’ve received the strongest negativity of any presentation. Apparently several people there were being disruptive and basically had to be told to shut up or get kicked out. There was also a small protest outside the venue before the presentation took place.

Believe the opposition was not just for the casino but for the whole 78 development, which makes me wonder if the master plan is in jeopardy. Someone complained about the high rises being built there will act like a wall to block Chinatown off from the rest of the city, which to be honest may be the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard.
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God I hate nimbys. Heard someone from Dearborn Park say that the 78 development and casino is out of place for the area....literally.
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Yeah.... But every presentation has had the same group of NIMBYs. Or at least that what it has felt like to me.

Literally - There were the handful of loud characters at every one of these presentations. Almost as though they were plants of some kind....

To be blunt, tonight's presentation was by far the strongest. They took the differences between Bally's/HardRock, and amplified them. My ranking of the three hasn't changed, but the 78 really seemed to set themselves apart tonight.

I will gladly accept Bally's, but if Hard Rock wins...... Look for me to become Fiery, but mostly peaceful.

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Someone complained about the high rises being built there will act like a wall to block Chinatown off from the rest of the city, which to be honest may be the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard.
I feel like these people look at renderings of these projects and then form their opinions. Related made sure to state that not only will The 78 help connect Chinatown to the Loop but will extend the Riverwalk to Ping Tom Park, how in the world is that walling off the neighborhood from the rest of the city? Lol
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God I hate nimbys. Heard someone from Dearborn Park say that the 78 development and casino is out of place for the area....literally.
Obviously they prefer their pseudo-suburb to be next to 62 acres of dirt and grass, far better for property value than a major attraction, residential district and state-of-the-art research center!
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I had to stop watching after "George" started screaming after his mic was cutoff. That guy, the restaurant advocate, and a couple others were literally at every single of these presentations making a big stink. I get the feeling these are not true members of the neighborhood, but people just trying to make waves at public meetings.
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Bally’s Tribune

Hard Rock

Rivers 78 with Hotel/Obs. Tower

Rivers 78 w/o Hotel/Obs. Tower
I’m bringing this back because I think the lower estimated revenue for the 78 is an important factor. I’m not sure if it’s because of the bad site access, but they really didn’t address that in the presentation (I didn’t watch all the questions).

From what I remember, they mentioned the river walk, the CTA access, wells-wentworth and “we’re close to LSD”.
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I had to stop watching after "George" started screaming after his mic was cutoff. That guy, the restaurant advocate, and a couple others were literally at every single of these presentations making a big stink. I get the feeling these are not true members of the neighborhood, but people just trying to make waves at public meetings.
The head of the restaurant association DOES have an extremely valid point though. But yeah a few others were at least in the Bally's hearing too.
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Went to the RIVERS 78 Proposal last night April 7, 2022

-4000 construction jobs

-3500 permanent jobs

-parking riverboat at the 78 as a temporary site possibly 100 positions

-timing depends on approvals perhaps 6 to 12 months

-5000 studens at DPI



I'll be honest, of the three (3) proposals, this one has me least interested and inspired. No real numbers shown on how it would help the city, and the meeting seemed more to be a pitch on the whole 78 development, not the casino proposal. No real interior renderings of fly-throughs.
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I feel like Hard Rock "won" the most from the community engagement forums. They knew they were going to get tremendous pushback from allying with One Central, so they chose to distance themselves. This meant the audience was focused on attacking One Central, while Hard Rock got fewer direct pushback. Now, Hard Rock can say they were better received than Bally's or River's 78, which also had a lot more vocal opposition.
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Went to the RIVERS 78 Proposal last night April 7, 2022

-4000 construction jobs

-3500 permanent jobs

-parking riverboat at the 78 as a temporary site possibly 100 positions

-timing depends on approvals perhaps 6 to 12 months

-5000 studens at DPI



I'll be honest, of the three (3) proposals, this one has me least interested and inspired. No real numbers shown on how it would help the city, and the meeting seemed more to be a pitch on the whole 78 development, not the casino proposal. No real interior renderings of fly-throughs.
Ok, yeah, there weren't flashy fly-through videos of the interior. But their external fly-through images/videos were by far the best compared to the other two proposals. Hard Rock was almost exclusively interior fly through videos. While I would have liked have seen more from 78, I have no doubt their interior will look nice for a casino. I care more about the outside.... How it integrates with the neighborhood, how it has water activation, engagement with the community, etc. On those fronts, 78 won, and Bally's was somewhere between 78 and Hard Rock.

Ultimately, it comes down to what you want from the winning bid? Do you care more about a flashy casino that is dropped into the city and generates revenue? Or do you want something a little more integrated into the community? Personally, I prefer the latter, and 78 seemed to win over my vote in their presentation. I will gladly settle for Bally's though.

Hard Rock just felt "Corporate". They didn't really seem to have passion for being a part of the city. They seem to care more about shoring up resources for an investment that's guaranteed to make their shareholders happy. They distanced themselves from surrounding developments, and refused to make any statements about how they relate to the Bears.
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I feel like Hard Rock "won" the most from the community engagement forums. They knew they were going to get tremendous pushback from allying with One Central, so they chose to distance themselves. This meant the audience was focused on attacking One Central, while Hard Rock got fewer direct pushback. Now, Hard Rock can say they were better received than Bally's or River's 78, which also had a lot more vocal opposition.
I agree. Before the forums I had very little interest in the Hard Rock proposal, but it now seems like a real contender. I like the design of the casino at the 78 best (they are all terrible in their own way to be honest), but their numbers are the lowest and they probably have the strongest and most vocal opposition. They also have the worst location IMO. Bally’s is right near the main branch and Hard Rock is right next to McCormick and museum campus. Hard Rock would be reinforcing a corridor that is a huge tourist draw where as the 78 is really branching off to a new section of downtown that has never been a major draw for tourists.
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I agree. Before the forums I had very little interest in the Hard Rock proposal, but it now seems like a real contender. I like the design of the casino at the 78 best (they are all terrible in their own way to be honest), but their numbers are the lowest and they probably have the strongest and most vocal opposition. They also have the worst location IMO. Bally’s is right near the main branch and Hard Rock is right next to McCormick and museum campus. Hard Rock would be reinforcing a corridor that is a huge tourist draw where as the 78 is really branching off to a new section of downtown that has never been a major draw for tourists.
This part really shouldn't be much of a concern. Related was behind Hudson Yards, in which its area did not really draw any tourists before HY was there. There was really not much there. Jacob Javits Center and High Line was there before and drew some tourists but yeah, totally transformed tourism wise now vs. before Hudson Yards. I worked at Manhattan West, which is across the street from Hudson Yards from late 2015 until October 2021 - nearly 6 years. I saw this with my own eyes transform by 2019 (IIRC, or was it 2018?) from a place where nobody would go to literally crawling with tourists and very busy.

If you give tourists a reason to go somewhere, they'll go. Trust me.
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So the new underground 15th st red line station at the 78 is still happening, he confirmed it.
I'm still taking that with a huge grain of salt. It wouldn't help their casino bid very much if they announced they were canceling the Red Line station right now. If they are canceling it, the time to drop that news would be after their casino bid is selected, when they're renegotiating the PD. Or maybe the Red Line station is only feasible with the casino revenue, and if they lose the casino bid they'll cancel the Red Line station after that. I just know how long it takes to design and get approval for this kind of stuff, so if they were really committed then engineering and approvals would already be underway to get it shovel-ready.

I still believe the Red Line stop was part of a package to attract intense office use to the site. Related tried pitching The 78 to office tenants and apparently struck out big time, so they've reduced the office component to almost nothing. CTA access doesn't matter as much for casino, residential or even DPI.

They already redesigned the area around the Rock Island tracks to save $$$. Before, they were going to build LaSalle St on a deck over the tracks, with access to buildings on one side and the park on the other. Now the tracks are just an open slot through the site, like that weird canyon between Roosevelt Collection and Target.
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