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View Poll Results: Which Chicago casino proposal is your favorite?
Ballys at Tribune 28 18.67%
Ballys at McCormick 8 5.33%
Hard Rock at One Central 11 7.33%
Rivers at The 78 82 54.67%
Rivers at McCormick 21 14.00%
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Gurnee does need an Ikea and Topgolf
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2022, 8:12 PM
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I think it's worth remembering that a casino at The 78 will actually be closer to the existing Roosevelt CTA station (1800 ft) than to a new Red Line station at 15th & Clark (2000 ft). Realistically, any casino will have to run a shuttle van.

An aerial tramway that would link McCormick Place, Chinatown Red Line station, The 78, Post Office/Union Station Blue Line is actually not the worst idea I've ever heard—but it's not one I've heard anyone propose, either.
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An aerial tramway that would link McCormick Place, Chinatown Red Line station, The 78, Post Office/Union Station Blue Line is actually not the worst idea I've ever heard—but it's not one I've heard anyone propose, either.
There was an aerial tram proposal back in 2015-2016 that would link Wolf Point with Navy Pier. It wasn't a terrible idea then and I still like it now, whether it's downtown or the connector route you suggested. Lord knows there would be a huge line on weekends to ride it.
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Unfortunately I'm not sure Related will snap back to the previous scheme at The 78 even if they lose the casino bid.

I hope they do, but there's a good chance they just look for another huge anchor like a Chicago Fire stadium or something. Hell, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to build a Topgolf (wouldn't be the first time a Chicago megadevelopment started with golf).
Amazing that related and the bears can’t figure something out for a new stadium and all kind of associated development.
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I don't see how they make that work; a stadium will have 10x the traffic that a casino does. Not just on Sundays in the fall, but weekends year-round. They'd have to build the Red Line stop in that case, but they'd also need to accommodate the hordes of tailgaters. Soldier Field has an expressway (I-55 to LSD) feeding right into the parking garages. The 78 certainly will not have that, ever.

And a stadium deal risks blowing up the other deal with DPI; I'm sure they don't want their crown jewel of tech innovation overlooking a stadium parking lot.
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2022, 2:21 PM
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I don't see how they make that work; a stadium will have 10x the traffic that a casino does. Not just on Sundays in the fall, but weekends year-round. They'd have to build the Red Line stop in that case, but they'd also need to accommodate the hordes of tailgaters. Soldier Field has an expressway (I-55 to LSD) feeding right into the parking garages. The 78 certainly will not have that, ever.

And a stadium deal risks blowing up the other deal with DPI; I'm sure they don't want their crown jewel of tech innovation overlooking a stadium parking lot.
When have developers ever cared about traffic or “overlooking parking lots” to hold back a plan… if it keeps the Bears in Chicago and if this plan is a good investment none of these issues will matter, especially if it nets a sofi stadium against the backdrop of the Chicago skyline.
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When have developers ever cared about traffic or “overlooking parking lots” to hold back a plan… if it keeps the Bears in Chicago and if this plan is a good investment none of these issues will matter, especially if it nets a sofi stadium against the backdrop of the Chicago skyline.
I'm all for keeping the Bears in the city, but not at the cost of hijacking any one of these developments into an urban atrocity. That's my worry with the Hard Rock proposal - The Bears will talk to the Hard Rock / OC folks to combine their interests and go to the city with one big "bow tie" deal to keep the Bears in the city, get massive tax incentives from the city/state, while putting in a shiny new casino. Under that scenario, Tribune/78 proposals die a quick death.

Then again, maybe the Bears are dead serious about Arlington Heights, the city gives them a big FU, Hard Rock dies a quick death, and we get Tribune/78.
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Yeah, while I believe the Bears will ultimately make the move to Arlington Heights, I also think they'll take their time and see what the city and Hardrock's ultimate plan looks like for the lakefront and Soldier Field. After all, I thought I had read somewhere that the Bears won't officially close/confirm sale of the property until late 2022/early 2023.
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I'm all for keeping the Bears in the city, but not at the cost of hijacking any one of these developments into an urban atrocity. That's my worry with the Hard Rock proposal - The Bears will talk to the Hard Rock / OC folks to combine their interests and go to the city with one big "bow tie" deal to keep the Bears in the city, get massive tax incentives from the city/state, while putting in a shiny new casino. Under that scenario, Tribune/78 proposals die a quick death.

Then again, maybe the Bears are dead serious about Arlington Heights, the city gives them a big FU, Hard Rock dies a quick death, and we get Tribune/78.
Honestly I think putting a dome on Soldier Field with taxpayer help in the low 9 figures is probably the best deal we're gonna get.

A new stadium, whether in Chicago or the suburbs, will cost in the billions and no way are the Bears gonna foot that bill. If the Bears commit to Arlington Heights, they will likely enter a deal with ISFA to provide a huge direct subsidy or property tax break.
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Alderman Says He ‘Cannot Support’ A Casino At 78 Mega-Development Amid Neighborhood Opposition
https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/04...od-opposition/

Sounds about right for Sigcho-Lopez, and definitely improves the odds for the casino ending up in Walter "Build-It" Burnett's ward.... Though I still suspect the city is working on some shitty backroom deal with the Bears and One Central.
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Lmao Sigcho-Lopez hates development. 18th street could be the mexican Randolph/Fulton Market st., but he keeps swaying away restaurants and other development in the neighborhood to "preserve the culture"
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Alderman Says He ‘Cannot Support’ A Casino At 78 Mega-Development Amid Neighborhood Opposition
https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/04...od-opposition/

Sounds about right for Sigcho-Lopez, and definitely improves the odds for the casino ending up in Walter "Build-It" Burnett's ward.... Though I still suspect the city is working on some shitty backroom deal with the Bears and One Central.
What a load of crap...... If the 78 casino goes down in flames, then my chips are all in on the Tribune site. I really don't want to see the city cave and give a ton of tax incentives to keep the Bears in and help subsidize a casino.
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What a load of crap...... If the 78 casino goes down in flames, then my chips are all in on the Tribune site. I really don't want to see the city cave and give a ton of tax incentives to keep the Bears in and help subsidize a casino.
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From Crain's regarding River District & One Central opposition

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For instance, Ald. Brendan Reilly, 42nd, whose ward adjoins the proposed Bally’s site on the Tribune printing plant property at Chicago Avenue and Halsted Street, said in his latest constituent newsletter that neighboring residents “are clearly opposed” to locating a casino there and that he has “serious concerns” about it. “My constituents are not enthused,” he said in a follow-up email. “I listen very carefully to my constituents.”

Similar comments came earlier from Ald. Brian Hopkins, 2nd, whose ward also adjoins the property and who says he is worried about traffic congestion.

But Ald. Walter Burnett, 27th, whose ward includes the land, said he’s “open-minded” about the possibility. “I think the community’s split,” Burnett said. “A lot of older people like casinos. But you have to think of everything.” Burnett added that he believes traffic problems on the site are solvable.
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Ald. Pat Dowell, 3rd, whose ward is immediately to the east of The 78, said the emails she’s received from constituents “are generally opposed” to selecting it for a casino.

Dowell’s ward also flanks the location of the third finalist, on property near 18th Street that would be part of the One Central development on air rights west of Solider Field. Dowell said she’s also received some letters opposing it, but “not as many” as with The 78.
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...d-casino-sites
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https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...d-casino-sites
Burnett is the only alderman keeping an open mind concerning a casino. Not surprised.
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Burnett is the only alderman keeping an open mind concerning a casino. Not surprised.
Weren't all of these guys consulted before any of these bids even were solicited? If there are aldermen that are going to be super against a casino in their backyard, then why would they city accept a bid for that location?

Or am I just that naive to Chicago politics still?
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I'd be in favor of building a casino at all three locations just to spite the Alderman.
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Weren't all of these guys consulted before any of these bids even were solicited? If there are aldermen that are going to be super against a casino in their backyard, then why would they city accept a bid for that location?

Or am I just that naive to Chicago politics still?
Most projects are subject to aldermanic prerogative, but that only works if the 49 other aldermen vote with the one alderman that has the project in his/her ward.

On very important projects, the mayor can/will often steamroll the local alderman if a deal can't be reached. Rahm did this for the Wrigley Field renovation after Ald. Tunney opposed it. The mayor can wield considerable leverage over individual alderman on individual votes. The casino bidders probably expect that the mayor will personally push through whichever casino bid is selected.

For the casino, I think the council generally agrees that the casino is a good thing for the city overall, and they understand it has to end up in somebody's ward. That means one alderman, and one community, is gonna have to suck it up and deal with it. Definitely think Bally's Tribune is the one to beat now with Burnett in favor. Hopkins and Reilly will probably be "no" votes but the other 47 aldermen will fall in line with both the mayor and the local alderman supporting the casino.
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Thumbs up Goose Island

Mr. Chicago here,
I am new to this but I am the biggest fan of Chicago. To make my contribution to this great city may I suggest putting the casino on Goose Island by the barge turn-around. Goose Island is an eyesore in need of a rebuild. Also the island is close to the Kennedy. PERFECT LOCATION. Move those factories to the south side along Halstead, provide jobs for people who really need them.
As a river city Chicago has the potential to be up there with the greats. Think about it: Venice, Amsterdam, St. Petersburgh, Chicago. Sounds silly? I think
old Dan Burnham would approve.
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Mr. Chicago here,
I am new to this but I am the biggest fan of Chicago. To make my contribution to this great city may I suggest putting the casino on Goose Island by the barge turn-around. Goose Island is an eyesore in need of a rebuild. Also the island is close to the Kennedy. PERFECT LOCATION. Move those factories to the south side along Halstead, provide jobs for people who really need them.
As a river city Chicago has the potential to be up there with the greats. Think about it: Venice, Amsterdam, St. Petersburgh, Chicago. Sounds silly? I think
old Dan Burnham would approve.
As cool as that may be, the bids are in, and the three proposals is what we have....... Unlikely anything significantly changes moving forward.

I was originally really into 78, but Tribune has slowly warmed up to me. I think having the casino at the Tribune site will help muscle up the river corridor to connect downtown and LY.
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