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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Lincoln yards is not large enough for a stadium even if you could build over Cortland. Not gonna happen there. The only realistic site would be McCormick East. Good luck with that though, if you were tear it down our friends of the park would never let you put something else up.
I am a bit surprised it would be discussed if it physically was not possible, but also does it not fit on the southern end of LY by the Home Depot? The old Fleet Yard plus surrounding buildings that SB already own?
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 3:35 PM
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Then there's the whole tailgating thing. LY would be even less tailgate-friendly than Soldier Field. There's no room for big parking lots.
you can now tailgate at the Bears EndZone Tailgate Bar & Grilll. Bud Light's for $15.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 3:47 PM
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I am a bit surprised it would be discussed if it physically was not possible, but also does it not fit on the southern end of LY by the Home Depot? The old Fleet Yard plus surrounding buildings that SB already own?
I’d say a stadium is possible on the Southern end, but it’s pushing the limits.

The transit situation from Red/Brownline with the Armitage station is probably similar to Soldier Field if a pedestrian bridge is built. Depends if a pre-game element is built to the North that makes the distance feel shorter.

The entertainment and mixed-use development would be more feasible in this location, considering tourists actually spend time nearby during other parts of the year.

Overall, I’d say it’s a long shot, but the suburbs have their own problems, and Sterling Bays knows the market better than the Bears do.

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Then there's access - the streets around LY are very congested even on a normal weekday. A billion-dollar stadium will have Bears games and other events on weekdays. It will be a nightmare to get in and get out, especially since transit is only an option for people living around the UP-N and UP-NW lines.
Definitely would require another bridge and probably widening an existing one. That said, both the water taxi from Union/Ogilvey and The 606 provide very easy access. If the Cubs can get 40k to Wrigley 80 times a year, 70k to Lincoln Yards on 10 Sunday mornings seems doable.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the whole point is to have more than 10 events annually. It is a valid concern.

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 6:32 PM
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Maybe the sports radio hosts confused Lincoln Yards for the 78? Because I see reporters talking about the 78 today.

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Owner of the giant South Loop parcel known as “the 78” says they are “open to discussions” about potentially bringing a new Bears stadium here. They are currently moving forward on plans to build the U-of-I connected Discovery Partners Institute here
https://twitter.com/paschutz/status/...o_k_Q-bPyHHu9Q
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 7:07 PM
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^That would make A LOT more sense and be more interesting to consider. There's a lot to like. But could it fly with the you-know-who neighbors?
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 7:24 PM
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Maybe the sports radio hosts confused Lincoln Yards for the 78? Because I see reporters talking about the 78 today.



https://twitter.com/paschutz/status/...o_k_Q-bPyHHu9Q
Very believable. I don't think there would be enough room for both the stadium and DPI. Maybe the DPI then goes to Lincoln Yards or Michael Reese (which is supposed to be a "technology and research" area anyways)?
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 7:34 PM
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I'm against a new stadium being built in either this area or the 78. It belongs in the suburbs!
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 8:19 PM
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I actually love the idea of a stadium district act The 78th. It'd be nice. to have an Orange line station built somewhere close (maybe 16th St so you could have the green line also). A Connected Red Line & Metra station near 16th St. Add the water taxi stop and maybe boat parking along the riverwalk. Transit is covered.

Put all the parking underground for the entire district similar to Millennium Park.

The only fix for tailgating I see is capping the train yard across the river, develop it & make a tailgating & party ish district since there is no residential on that side. But I'm just an optimistic guy with endless money pit dreams.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 11:31 PM
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Heard the rumor on sports talk radio (670) that Lincoln Yards has been discussed with the Bears.

It kind of makes sense. Sterling Bay needs a bailout and buildings. The Bears need land and infrastructure. Have to admit that taking a water taxi from the new casino to new Soldier Field sounds intriguing.
Yeah I bet they meant to say the 78? Not everyone is as well versed in Chicago real estate development as us nerds.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 11:35 PM
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Yeah I bet they meant to say the 78? Not everyone is as well versed in Chicago real estate development as us nerds.
Or maybe there's a ton of conversations happening backdoor we aren't aware of......

Maybe the bears are listening to everyone right now to see who has the best deal:
- AH
- Naperville
- 78 Site
- Lincoln Yards
- OC
- St Louis??????
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 11:48 PM
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Or maybe there's a ton of conversations happening backdoor we aren't aware of......

Maybe the bears are listening to everyone right now to see who has the best deal:
- AH
- Naperville
- 78 Site
- Lincoln Yards
- OC
- St Louis??????
St. Louis. Ha. Good one. Well done.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 1:23 AM
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Very believable. I don't think there would be enough room for both the stadium and DPI. Maybe the DPI then goes to Lincoln Yards or Michael Reese (which is supposed to be a "technology and research" area anyways)?
There's plenty of room. Remember the colossal casino proposed for The 78? I don't want a stadium in either location, but at least The 78 works spatially.

Anyway, DPI seems like a pretty sure thing, groundbreaking for next spring. I don't think they will move anywhere else.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 12:12 PM
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There's plenty of room. Remember the colossal casino proposed for The 78? I don't want a stadium in either location, but at least The 78 works spatially.
Was there ever a render with both the casino and the DPI? I don’t remember seeing it.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 12:30 PM
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Was there ever a render with both the casino and the DPI? I don’t remember seeing it.
Yes, it’s a large parcel of land.

That said, I consider this all chatter until the Bears stop playing their dumb games.



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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 1:09 PM
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That casino proposal is still gorgeous
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 2:40 PM
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Was there ever a render with both the casino and the DPI? I don’t remember seeing it.
Here is USBank Stadium (the most recent "urban" stadium in the NFL) overlaid on The 78. See there is plenty of room for the stadium, DPI, and some kind of development area for stadium village and parking facilities. There is also the CMK/Cacciatore parcel north of Roosevelt along the river for additional development if needed. The USBank stadium footprint would overlap the new Wells St but I think you could tighten it up a bit to make it work. The stadium would have to overlap the Metra tracks but I don't think that's a dealbreaker, Target Field does that (also in Minneapolis).

Note that this location would be about 1/4 mile walk from Roosevelt CTA station to the stadium gate. Compare that to Soldier Field which ends up being about 1 mile walk due to the roundabout pedestrian path thru Museum Campus. I might be warming up to this idea... although it certainly means Dearborn Park will become even more of a gated community to keep the drunken sports fans out.

It seems like a lot of these new stadiums have a setback on all sides, I guess for terrorism concerns? That complicates a lot of these urban sites.

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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 3:20 PM
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Here is USBank Stadium (the most recent "urban" stadium in the NFL) overlaid on The 78. See there is plenty of room for the stadium, DPI, and some kind of development area for stadium village and parking facilities. There is also the CMK/Cacciatore parcel north of Roosevelt along the river for additional development if needed. The USBank stadium footprint would overlap the new Wells St but I think you could tighten it up a bit to make it work. The stadium would have to overlap the Metra tracks but I don't think that's a dealbreaker, Target Field does that (also in Minneapolis).
Thanks for sharing this, really puts into in perspective. Great information as always.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2023, 4:34 PM
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The 78 makes a lot of sense.

Another underdeveloped location even closer to downtown would be the handful of blocks between Harrison and Taylor, Canal and I90. That could require using eminent domain but there is legal precedent in doing that for sport venues. Short walks to Union, Ogilvie, and LaSalle metra stations.... Blue Line station basically inside the stadium... single seat from O'Hare...
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