NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza (Hotel Penn) | 1,200 FT / 388 M | 61 FLOORS

[MAC123]

The new lobby is much, much better. I wonder if the public will be allowed to come into the lobby and sit or if it's just for workers?

[Busy Bee]

I hate this building but the previous lobby design looked way more grand than the redesign. Just scrap this whole tower and start over or just bring back one of the Pelli designs and call it a day.

[Raysiri]

Now that’s very eco-friendly.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by MAC123

The new lobby is much, much better. I wonder if the public will be allowed to come into the lobby and sit or if it's just for workers?

It’s supposed to be public. There will be a food hall connected, as well as retail. But what the renderings have yet to show is that both this site and the adjacent Manhattan Mall will have a lot of retail, combined more than is at the mall at Hudson Yards. I also wonder if the redesign is a result of Hochul’s increase of public space on all the sites.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It’s supposed to be public. There will be a food hall connected, as well as retail. But what the renderings have yet to show is that both this site and the adjacent Manhattan Mall will have a lot of retail, combined more than is at the mall at Hudson Yards. I also wonder if the redesign is a result of Hochul’s increase of public space on all the sites.

Speaking of this site, since it's so close to Penn will it have underground connections?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Speaking of this site, since it's so close to Penn will it have underground connections?

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[JMKeynes]

I was looking at Vornado's materials, and they assume that they're building a tower on the heinous site that's just north of the Hotel Penn. Unless the Hooch plans on exercising eminent domain to acquire the hideous piece of Gahenna on the south corner (i.e., the Sbarro building), this isn't going to occur any time soon. Anyway, for those concerned about a 1,200' blank wall on the north side of 15 Penn, it won't last forever.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I was looking at Vornado's materials, and they assume that they're building a tower on the heinous site that's just north of the Hotel Penn. Unless the Hooch plans on exercising eminent domain to acquire the hideous piece of Gahenna on the south corner (i.e., the Sbarro building), this isn't going to occur any time soon. Anyway, for those concerned about a 1,200' blank wall on the north side of 15 Penn, it won't last forever.

Of course, Vornado is behind all of the northern sites (sites 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8). 15 Penn is site 7.

[JMKeynes]

I recall that, but I also recall that Gumowitz, who owns the Sbarro building, said he won't sell. Obviously, everyone has a price at which they'll sell regardless of what he says, but Roth is too meshuganah to deal with anyone. He'll need whoever is governor to condemn it via eminent domain.

[TonyNYC]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I recall that, but I also recall that Gumowitz, who owns the Sbarro building, said he won't sell. Obviously, everyone has a price at which they'll sell regardless of what he says, but Roth is too meshuganah to deal with anyone. He'll need whoever is governor to condemn it via eminent domain.

Not everyone has a price.. Ever hear of Mary Sendek and the Macy's building on Queens Blvd in Elmhurst??

I grew up a few blocks away.. house stood until 1981.. remember it clearly.

https://forgotten-ny.com/2013/09/sen...ens-boulevard/

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by TonyNYC

Not everyone has a price.. Ever hear of Mary Sendek and the Macy's building on Queens Blvd in Elmhurst??

I grew up a few blocks away.. house stood until 1981.. remember it clearly.

https://forgotten-ny.com/2013/09/sen...ens-boulevard/

There are limited examples, but virtually everyone does. That being said, Roth is too crazy to negotiate with anyone.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I recall that, but I also recall that Gumowitz, who owns the Sbarro building, said he won't sell. Obviously, everyone has a price at which they'll sell regardless of what he says, but Roth is too meshuganah to deal with anyone. He'll need whoever is governor to condemn it via eminent domain.

It doesn't matter, it's not like it's some key piece in the assemblage. It's a small, sliver of a building. They can build with or without it. They build around and over small buildings all the time in New York.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It doesn't matter, it's not like it's some key piece in the assemblage. It's a small, sliver of a building. They can build with or without it. They build around and over small buildings all the time in New York.

That’s true, but I assume that they’d want the whole block. I think that they acquired the McD’s and now own the whole assemblage but for the southern corner.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

That’s true, but I assume that they’d want the whole block. I think that they acquired the McD’s and now own the whole assemblage but for the southern corner.

They would like to have a consolidated site (who wouldn’t), but it can be worked around if need be.

[Manitopiaaa]

I was looking at Vornado's portfolio book (have $2k invested in them) and noticed the Penn 15 design seems to have changed:







Never seen a version where there's no tapering at the top, so I assume this is new? Or extremely old?

[BuildThemTaller]

^ Still looks like a filing cabinet.

The suspended sculpture in the lobby, it looks like an Anish Kapoor piece. That's nice and expensive.

[chris08876]

Looks imposing as hell via that night time rendering.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Looks imposing as hell via that night time rendering.

ikr? But I imagine that will decreased when the rest of the Penn towers get built.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Manitopiaaa

I was looking at Vornado's portfolio book (have $2k invested in them) and noticed the Penn 15 design seems to have changed:

Gotta be before Foster's refinement. Pretty sure it's older. Looks closer to this 1,400 ft thing than the current design. But you can see how it has evolved.

Look here for newer images...

https://books.vno.com/books/alyp/#p=129