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Old Posted May 3, 2021, 2:03 PM
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Pittsburgh is divided by rivers (the Allegheny, Ohio, and Monongahela), and to a lesser extent by topography. It's not really divided by roads. There's often jokes about how no native Pittsburgher wants to cross a river if they can help it, and only transplants move freely across all of the regions.

That said. the different sides of the city are all a mix.

The area "between the rivers" (south of the Allegheny, north of the Mon, which converge downtown at the Point) now contains over half the city population, and is center of gravity of the city by virtue of containing both Downtown and the university hub of Oakland. Sometimes the term East End is used to clasify this entire region, though historically this was applied more narrowly to the neighborhoods in the far east. This zone contains the majority of the city's wealthy and gentrified areas. However, it also contains the largest swathe of black neighborhoods, and the historic home of Pittsburgh's black community (the Hill District). It's absolutely younger and more educated than the city as a whole however.

There is no unified name for the southern neighborhoods (those south of the Mon, though certain sub-regions have regional identities beyond their immediate neighborhoods, such as the West End and the Southern Hilltop. Overall this portion of the city is the most "old Pittsburgh" - with relatively little gentrification (outside of South Side and Mt. Washington) and fewer black neighborhoods.

The North Side is the smallest part of the city, both geographically and in terms of population, and has a concrete sense of collective identity which arguably goes back to when the independent Allegheny City was annexed against its will over a century ago. Demographically speaking through, it's still a mix. Proportionately speaking it's the blackest of the "sides" of Pittsburgh, though it still has several very white, gentrified 19th century rowhouse neighborhoods close to downtown, along with a band of outer neighborhoods which are more working-class/lower-middle class white (though the black population is rising across all of them).
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Old Posted May 3, 2021, 2:27 PM
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For years, it was "The Main" (Blvd. St. Laurent) in Montreal, but I would submit Boul. Acadie as a better example. To the left, the boundary of very posh Ville de Mont Royal. To the right, the boundary of one of Canada's poorest neighborhoods, Parc-Extension.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5256...i8192?hl=en-US

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5243...i8192?hl=en-US

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5277...i8192?hl=en-US

There was a chain link fence for many years on this boundary. My Mom, who grew up in VMR, recalls when they would always lock the gates just before Halloween, so as to prevent the kids from the wrong side of the tracks from trick-or-treating on the nicer side of town.

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The chain-link fence along boulevard de l’Acadie— two metres high, with “appropriate hedge”—separates one of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in Montreal from one of the poorest.

For several years, Marcello Di Cintio has been visiting and writing about communities that live in the shadows of walls, fences and other “hard” barriers. L’Acadie fence in Montreal was the last stop in a three-year-long itinerary that took Di Cintio to the Western Sahara, the Spanish North African enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla, the India-Bangladesh borderlands, Israel and Palestine, Cyprus, the US-Mexico border and Belfast. “Wall of Shame,” his story of the Saharawis in the Sahara Desert, appeared in Geist 74, and won Honorable Mention at the National Magazine Awards.

A fifty-year-old fence built of chain links and steel posts separates the Town of Mount Royal, one of Montreal’s most affluent neighbourhoods, from Parc-Extension, one of the poorest. The l’Acadie fence stretches for 1.6 kilometres in the middle of the city, along the west side of boulevard de l’Acadie from rue Jean-Talon to the Rockland shopping centre. The barrier has been referred to as “apartheid fencing” and “Montreal’s Berlin Wall,” but in spite of the hyperbole the fence is almost invisible.

For most of its length, the l’Acadie fence stands about two metres high. Shrubbery planted along the west side, however, grows taller. The thick hedge and its delicate pink blossoms conceal most of the barrier. Only the occasional gap in the foliage reveals the chain links and fenceposts. Three pedestrian openings marked by shiny gates on squeaky spring hinges represent the only breaches in the barrier. The gates were recently reinstalled and still have that new-gate smell, but the rest of the structure betrays its fifty years. The wire sags. Green paint flakes off the fenceposts, and scabs of rust run through the chain links.

There are no checkpoints along the fence: no electrified wire, no concertina wire, no red-lettered signs warning Keep Out. For a tool of apartheid, the fence appears almost benign.

In the late 1950s, the City of Montreal widened boulevard de l’Acadie, then called McEachran Avenue, and converted what was once a dirt track into a busy urban thoroughfare. McEachran formed the eastern boundary of the Town of Mount Royal (TMR); Town residents worried for their children’s safety, petitioned the town council to erect a barrier along the Town’s eastern edge. According to council minutes from May 1960, the Town contracted builders to erect a six-foot high chain-link fence with a single pedestrian opening and “an appropriate hedge.” The builders finished the fence in June.

The new fence faced Parc-Extension, a low-income neighborhood crowded with new Canadians. Montrealers around the city saw the fence as a class barrier, a structure built by the rich to separate themselves from the poor across the boulevard. In a letter to TMR’s town council, the City of Montreal wrote that Montrealers “have been greatly offended by the unsightly fence.” A former president of the TMR landlord association admitted to the newspaper La Presse that the barrier was a terrible political symbol and said “everywhere we go in Montreal they want to talk about the fence.”

Anger over the barrier seethed hottest in Parc-Extension, where residents believed the fence had been built to keep them out. “A lot of people were incensed,” Nick Semeniuk told me in his home on the east side of boulevard de l’Acadie. The house, which used to belong to his mother, faces directly across l’Acadie, and Nick was living there when the fence first went up. “I was quite mad, too. They wanted to keep out the riff-raff.” For Nick, the fence expressed in galvanized mesh a rivalry that always smouldered between the Parc-X boys and the “Townies” on the other side. Not outright warfare—Montreal is no Belfast—but the rather more benign enmity of teenagers from opposite sides of an economic line. Neighbourhood toughs from TMR hung out at the corner store near Nick’s mother’s house and picked fights with the local boys, and Parc-X kids felt unwelcome in TMR. “You couldn’t go to their parks. They would chase you out and say ‘You’re from Parc-X and you don’t belong here,’” Nick said. “So we beat them up.”

Parc-Extension ranks among the poorest neighbourhoods in Canada, not just in Montreal. Among dense, urban communities, only Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside can claim a lower median income than Parc-X. The neighbourhood is also among Montreal’s most crowded; its population density is five times the Montreal average. Thirty-three thousand residents press into an area about a kilometre long and half as wide hemmed in by rail yards on the west and south, Highway 40 to the north and the l’Acadie fence on the east. In French, the word enclave is also a verb, and Parc-X is enclavé.
more on the Great Wall of Montreal here:
https://www.geist.com/fact/essays/th...l-of-montreal/
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Old Posted May 3, 2021, 4:57 PM
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In Buffalo, it is Main Street that divides the city. Many through streets have "East" or "West" prefixes on either side of Main. There are stark differences both racially and economically along much of Main, with the West Side being historically the wealthier side of the city.

One block on either side of Main:

West Ferry Street
East Ferry Street

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Woodward Ave. is Detroit's cultural and demographic dividing line. West of Woodward has traditionally been wealthier, and home to WASP and Jewish elites, and, more recently, middle and upper class black neighborhoods. East of Woodward was traditionally white ethnic (Poles, Italians, Germans) and the poorest black neighborhoods. The differences very generally hold true both in city and suburb.
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Is Toronto unique among NA cities in having the "dividing street" itself being the heart of the favored quarter (most of the city's wealthiest neighborhoods are within 2 miles east or west of Yonge), rather than the socioeconomic dividing line?
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Is Toronto unique among NA cities in having the "dividing street" itself being the heart of the favored quarter (most of the city's wealthiest neighborhoods are within 2 miles east or west of Yonge), rather than the socioeconomic dividing line?
No... Manhattan has Fifth Avenue.
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Old Posted May 3, 2021, 9:42 PM
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Technically all of Central Park is Upper West Side:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/n...n/23fifth.html
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Fifth Ave. isn't really a modern-day "dividing line." I mean, yeah, it's the technical boundary of Manhattan's East and West Sides, but there isn't really a "better side", though there are traditional cultural differences.

The West Side was more Jewish, intellectual, gay and artsy, the East Side was more WASP, establishment, and finance-oriented. In 2021, these distinctions are mostly artifacts of an earlier age.

The Grand Concourse, Flatbush Ave, and Queens Blvd. were also traditionally cultural/demographic dividing lines for their respective boroughs.
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Does I-35 have express lanes? Elevated express lanes in the first pic?
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Does I-35 have express lanes? Elevated express lanes in the first pic?
No, no express lanes. And the upper deck, which was built in the 70s, is planned for demolition eventually.

https://www.kut.org/post/txdot-plans...-decker-austin

https://communityimpact.com/austin/c...-is-listening/

https://www.kxan.com/traffic/future-...wntown-austin/
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Erie: State Street runs N-S from Presque Isle Bay to the city line at Grandview Blvd. in the south. Divides the city between East and West sides. Numbered streets run E-W. Named streets run N-S paralleling State St.

Pittsburgh: eschaton laid it out above; no real "dividing" streets

Miami: Cartesian numbered grid. Flagler St. runs E-W as the "x-axis" dividing the city North-South. Streets run E-W and are designated with an N if they parallel Flagler to the North, and an S if they parallel Flagler to the South.

Miami Avenue runs N-S as the "y-axis" dividing the city East-West. Avenues run N-S and are designated with an E if they parallel Miami Ave. to the East, and a W if they parallel Miami Ave. to the West.

So... a NE-SE-SW-NW quadrant system centered on the downtown intersection of Flagler St. & Miami Ave. is what results. All roads are number names. But to make it confusing, many also have historic word names that are more commonly used than the number... there's tons of these.

SW 40th St. is also Bird Rd.
SW 88th St. is also Kendall Dr.
SW 37th Av. is also Douglas Rd.

While a fully-numbered street grid on an x-y axis seems to be very easy to navigate, it can be quite confusing to me when far out in the western suburban areas and everything looks EXACTLY the same.
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16th Street, NW, previously divided the city between the affluent Ward 3 and Georgetown neighborhoods and the more working class and diverse rest of the city. With all of the development and growth in DC over the past two decades, this has shifted considerably east. Perhaps North Capitol Street is now the dividing line.
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Geographically, Portland is a bit of an oddity in that it has six "quadrants" with SE, SW, NE, NW, North, and recently, South Portland (renamed from a chunk of SW Portland).

Burnside is the N/S divider and the Willamette River is the E/W division. North Portland is much of the formerly independent town of St. Johns that got annexed. As for cultural distinctions, each area has its highs and lows, but if there's a dividing line anywhere, it's I-205 in the east which feels like the division between "the city" and the proverbial "edge of town."

Sacramento, though, might be more unusual in the American context. With very few exceptions, there are no cardinal orientations; there's the central grid and then there's everything beyond the grid, and the logic of the grid radiates outward. E/W streets are alphabetical ending at X Street, N/S streets are numbered, and then on top of that, E/W streets south of Broadway are numbered avenues.

As long as you know the alphabet and can count up to 30, you can pretty easily navigate your way around the grid.

I've now spent most of my life in two similar yet very different river cities, and both have logic that can make sense much of the time and be maddening in certain instances.
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major cleveland streets fan out so they don't really have this. most people would say the old willow freeway (I-77) or maybe broadway before it divides the city east and west. for a north and south division there are a number of choices, but most would say detroit-euclid.

euclid ave used to have second and third downtowns along euclid around e55th and e105th, but those are gone now. and of course even before that euclid avenue was the old manhattan fifth avenue of cleveland and lined with mansions.
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