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View Poll Results: Electric Vehicle Ownership Poll
I own a BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle) 7 21.88%
I own a PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I own an HEV (Hybrid Electric Vehicle) 2 6.25%
I'm considering a BEV (Tesla, LEAF, Bolt, etc.) 6 18.75%
I'm considering a PHEV (Volt, etc.) 6 18.75%
I'm considering a HEV (Prius, etc.) 3 9.38%
I would only buy a non-electric gas or diesel car 3 9.38%
I don't want a car 4 12.50%
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Either way, Ontario is 0.93% of the worldwide car market, so what Ontario does is not moving companies one way or the other, so Ontario is just funding hobby cars for rich people (and if the objective is to reduce carbon emissions, money that could be spent in better ways).
Ontario isn't even close to the #1 jurisdiction for electric cars. They have by far their highest market share in Europe. In Norway, EVs make up about 20%-25% of all new cars sold. It would be interesting to see how charging stations, etc. have played out in Norway.

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The North American market is and will be substantially different than Europe. Distances in Europe are a lot shorter and the rail system is a much better developed providing a popular alternative for longer distance travel. That alternative does not exist in North America for the most part. So vehicle purchases are determined by the ability to make that occasional long distance trip as well as that constant running around that most families are facing with kids in sports or other activities.
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So how does an average person get carbon credits in the form of carbon sinks like yards & pots planted with trees? No, really, I'm serious. There's talk of industries downloading the coat of carbon production to the average person (farms/food, natural gas heating, etc). But how do we sell our credits?
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That's not 480V fast chargers... the ones being installed in condos and paid for by the government's $1000 program are "Level 2" 240V chargers (240V is what ovens and clothes dryers use), which take about eight hours to get the full 300km-350km worth of charge. These are the chargers that will likely make up the vast majority of electric charging as they're the perfect rate to fill up a car battery overnight.

480V fast "Level 3" chargers cost something like $20k-$30k to install and residential wiring can't even support them. 240V is the maximum voltage available in a residential circuit. These Level 3 chargers are only being installed at public charging stations.
Ok, I must have missed something, but why is a "station" necessary. An electrician can install a 240 outlet with a few dollars worth of supplies from Home Depot (plus more than a few dollars worth of Labour)
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Ok, I must have missed something, but why is a "station" necessary. An electrician can install a 240 outlet with a few dollars worth of supplies from Home Depot (plus more than a few dollars worth of Labour)
I don't really know much about electrician stuff but from what I gather, there's some technical details (amperage requirements?) that prevent a standard 240 volt outlet from being a Level 2 charger.
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The Electric Circuit is Quebec’s largest public charging network for electric vehicles and soon to be in Ontario.

https://www.lecircuitelectrique.com/welcome

Existing charging station map (Quebec and Eastern Ontario)

Future planned fast charge stations (Quebec and Eastern Ontario)

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The Electric Circuit is Quebec’s largest public charging network for electric vehicles and soon to be in Ontario.
Interesting. It seems like they are focusing on eastern Ontario, which is smart as it will be more useable by there existing customers.

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About 2/3 of promised 500 electric vehicle charging stations installed

Allison Jones, The Canadian Press 03.29.2017


TORONTO - Ontario's Liberal government will miss its self-imposed deadline of the end of this month to have a network of nearly 500 electric vehicle charging stations up and running.

Ministry of Transportation officials say about two-thirds of the stations will be live by Friday.

The government made the commitment last year, but has run into a few problems with about one-third of the network, said Transportation Minister Steven Del Duca.

"Some of our partners have experienced delays with respect to some of the permitting processes that are required, some technical adjustments that weren't anticipated, so they're all working hard, the ministry is in fairly regular contact with them and we anticipate that the balance of those chargers will be in place by the fall," he said.

Ontario is putting $20 million into the charging stations to help address so-called range anxiety, an often-cited barrier to people purchasing electric vehicles because they worry about the distance the vehicle can travel.

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said she's not surprised the government didn't meet its target.

"You shouldn't be making these promises if you can't fulfil them, that's the bottom line," she said. "Let's be realistic with what you're able to achieve."

The Progressive Conservative transportation critic didn't waste an opportunity, when asked about the charging stations, to make mention of more bad electric vehicle optics.

"I think the focus for (Premier) Kathleen Wynne was handing out $14,000 rebates to owners of Teslas, while they really should have been focusing their time and energy on ensuring that the infrastructure for electric vehicles has actually been rolled out," said Michael Harris.

"I think the No. 1 thing that people ask when they buy an electric vehicle is, 'Am I going to get from A to B and is there infrastructure out there to allow me to do that?'"

The government introduced maximum rebates for electric vehicles last year, but in February it removed a $3,000 cap for vehicles that cost between $75,000 and $150,000. That means that buyers of vehicles in that price range, such as new Tesla models, are now entitled to the full rebates of up to $14,000 — the same rebates available to lower-cost electric vehicles.

The almost 500 charging stations planned for the province include about 300 Level 2 chargers, which fully power up a vehicle in about four to six hours, and about 200 Level 3 chargers, which charge a vehicle to 80 per cent in about half an hour.

Del Duca said a map on the ministry's website showing where the charging stations are installed should be updated in the next few days.

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Fast-charging stations for electric vehicles coming to Trans-Canada Highway

Alicja Siekierska, Financial Post 07.20.2017


Three companies are teaming up with the federal government to install 34 electric vehicle fast-charging stations along the Trans-Canada Highway in an attempt to encourage the adoption of zero-emission vehicles.

The $17.3-million charging network, which will be installed in Ontario and Manitoba, will allow drivers to charge their zero-emission cars in about 20 minutes through stations powered by a lithium-ion battery storage system, one its developers say won’t stress the utility grid.

The project is funded by an $8-million “repayable contribution” from Natural Resources Canada under the Canadian Energy Innovation Program, as well as private investment from eCAMION, a Toronto-based energy storage system developer, Leclanché, an energy storage provider, and Geneva-based power producer SGEM.

Jim Carr, the federal Minister of Natural Resources, said in a news release that government recognizes that electric vehicles will play a significant role in reducing emissions from the transportation sector.

“With more electric vehicles becoming available, we want to make them an easy choice for Canadians. The strategic investment brings us closer to having a national coast-to-coast network of electric vehicle charging stations while growing our economy and creating good jobs for Canada’s middle-class,” Carr said.

Industry experts and government leaders have agreed that developing and installing charging infrastructure around the country is crucial in order to spark electric vehicle sales in Canada.

Each new station will consist of an energy storage system that uses large-format lithium-ion batteries and multiple outlets so that several cars can be charged at once. The stations will be equipped to use Level 3 chargers, which typically use a 480-volt system that can fully charge electric vehicles in about 30 minutes. Level 2 chargers, found in homes and commonly seen in parking garages, use a 240-volt system and can fully recharge vehicles in about eight to 10 hours.

Bryan Urban, executive vice president with Leclanché North America, said the technology is particularly advantageous because it will not stress the grid or require significant infrastructure upgrades.

“As electric vehicles get faster in the charging process, that can have a lot of stress on the grid and you would need to beef up the system, particularly in areas that are more remote. That can be costly,” he said.

“But this way, you can charge multiple vehicles at a time, without stressing the grid.”

The battery sources would be recharged during off-peak times, according to the companies. Urban also said several stations will be outfitted with solar panels to recharge the battery.

“This is perhaps the largest infrastructure project for electrical vehicles to be deployed at one time anywhere in the world,” said Elad Barak, VP business development of eCAMION, in a statement.

Urban said the exact locations for the 34-charging stations will be determined later this year. Production on the charging stations is expected to start early next year, followed by installation some time in the spring.

Electric vehicle drivers will have to pay a fee to access the stations. Urban said how that usage fee is calculated is still being determined.

There were more than two-million electric vehicles on roads around the world in 2016, according to a report released by the International Energy Agency last month. According to the report, China is the largest electric car market in the world, with 336,000 new electric cars registered in 2016 alone, but it represents a mere 1.37 per cent of the country’s total car market.

Meanwhile, Canada is behind China, Norway and the other leading nations in the electric vehicle market. In 2016, 11,580 electric vehicles were sold in Canada, or just 0.59 per cent of the total car market.

The federal government has created an advisory panel aimed at raising the number of zero-emission vehicles on Canada’s roads. The panel, which includes experts from the auto industry, non-governmental organizations and both provincial and federal governments, will focus on developing a national strategy for electric vehicles by 2018.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/fast+ch...253/story.html
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Ontario's strategy is on EV charging is such a failure. They've done nothing for multi-unit dwellings. And they didn't even install Level 3 chargers at the OnRoutes. And couldn't let Tesla install their chargers there. All because of the incompetent contract signed by Queen's Park with Canadian Tire. Ridiculous.
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Ontario's strategy is on EV charging is such a failure.
Ontario's electricity strategy is such a failure.
Toronto and Ottawa are now the most expensive cities for electricity.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/offic...255/story.html
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Ontario's strategy is on EV charging is such a failure. They've done nothing for multi-unit dwellings. And they didn't even install Level 3 chargers at the OnRoutes. And couldn't let Tesla install their chargers there. All because of the incompetent contract signed by Queen's Park with Canadian Tire. Ridiculous.
Charging stations at OnRoutes is such a no brainer. I've always wondered why they haven't made that investment yet.
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Ontario's electricity strategy is such a failure.
Toronto and Ottawa are now the most expensive cities for electricity.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/offic...255/story.html
Still significantly cheaper than Hydro One though?
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Charging stations at OnRoutes is such a no brainer. I've always wondered why they haven't made that investment yet.
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Ontario's strategy is on EV charging is such a failure. They've done nothing for multi-unit dwellings. And they didn't even install Level 3 chargers at the OnRoutes. And couldn't let Tesla install their chargers there. All because of the incompetent contract signed by Queen's Park with Canadian Tire. Ridiculous.
Canadian Tire is now adding chargers to its OnRoute locations.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3108798/ca...ns-in-ontario/
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Canadian Tire is now adding chargers to its OnRoute locations.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3108798/ca...ns-in-ontario/
Not the Level 3 chargers that actually make a difference to EV owners.
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Charging stations at OnRoutes is such a no brainer. I've always wondered why they haven't made that investment yet.
The OnRoute contract got split. Everything auto related was given to Canadian Tire. And Canadian Tire does not care at all about putting in chargers, since the biggest beneficiaries were the food vendors.

Tesla ended up installing chargers off different exits. It's terrible.
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Speaking as someone who owns an electric car, I have a problem with the Tesla superchargers, and that is that it is exclusively for Tesla owners only. So in that sense I'm glad that Tesla was blocked from setting up a supercharger station at the OnRoutes and we will get platform/car agnostic chargers instead.
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Not the Level 3 chargers that actually make a difference to EV owners.
There's a mix. Some Level 3 and some Level 2.
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Speaking as someone who owns an electric car, I have a problem with the Tesla superchargers, and that is that it is exclusively for Tesla owners only. So in that sense I'm glad that Tesla was blocked from setting up a supercharger station at the OnRoutes and we will get platform/car agnostic chargers instead.
This is a terribly shortsighted viewpoint. Why should anybody be bothered if Tesla is paying for a charging stand for 5-10 cars? If they are covering all the costs, how does that impact anybody else?

We now have other automakers proposing some competing standards. Since many will be proprietary to a handful of companies, should they be forced to build chargers off the highway too?
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What we really need is standardization of charging formats. A universal charging station that works for all cars.
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