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I hate all this wating around. We've all decided that a bridge will be necessary, there will be a decision made this year as far as an ideal location, then why can't we just start construction next year???? We haven't built a bridge in decades so I'm sure the funding will be seen as deserved by the feds and the provinces.
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I think the federal government should have a Public-Private partnership competition to determine the location of the next bridge. The competition will include 9 different cities. We mustn't make it look like we are playing favourites to Ottawa.
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Not sure if it was in the Kanata Kourier or Stittsville Weekender but Councillor Qadri, another of those pro road-widening and anti-O-Train councillors wants to push ahead with the widening of Hazeldean - the construction starting next year instead of 2011 - because of the opening of the new centers this year.
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Greenbelt road OK'd


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Published: Sunday, April 06, 2008

A little bit of Ottawa's Greenbelt will be sacrificed so that Barrhaven can be directly linked to the South Merivale Business Park, which is the new home of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The National Capital Commission's board of directors approved the extension of Longfields Drive to connect with Bill Leathem Drive in the business park. The NCC says the road will be limited to two lanes, with room for bicycle traffic, so that continued farming can take place in the area. The project will mean the loss of 2.8 hectares of Greenbelt. The city is expected to start building the road in June. When it approved the road, the NCC also noted it is starting a three-year review of its master plan for the Greenbelt.
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Not sure if it was in the Kanata Kourier or Stittsville Weekender but Councillor Qadri, another of those pro road-widening and O-Train councillors wants to push ahead with the widening of Hazeldean - the construction starting next year instead of 2011 - because of the opening of the new centers this year.
Councillor Qadri is pretty gung ho on road widening and keeping Stittsville low density residential. Hazeldean widening was promised as long ago as 2003 as being 'next year'.
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City staff says no to $80M 'gift' to widen Hwy. 174
Jake Rupert
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Monday, April 14, 2008

OTTAWA - The city's transportation planning staff are recommending the municipality say no to federal and provincial government offers of $40 million each to widen Highway 174 from Trim Road in Orleans to Rockland.
A staff report on the issue says the proposed 22-kilometre freeway isn't needed and will encourage sprawl. It adds that a commuter-rail line could service the area, and the city doesn't have the $15-million share the province wants it to pay.

It recommends the city refuse to even accept a grant of $5 million being offered by the province to do the preliminary studies on the road widening, which would include about seven kilometres inside the city's boundaries.

The recommendation is scheduled to be debated by councillors on the city's transportation committee Wednesday, and the mayor of Clarence-Rockland Richard Lalonde is flabbergasted.

"This is an $80-million gift, and they should be jumping on it," he said. "I can't understand why they won't participate."

In the report, city staff say the municipality should reject the road for a number of reasons. They say the city can't afford it, city plans don't call for a widening of the road until after 2021 at the earliest because there isn't a need, it goes against the goal of creating a more compact city, and that there are many much cheaper ways to make the road safer, if that is a concern.

Furthermore, they say several eastern Ontario municipalities, led by the city, are looking at establishing a commuter-rail system that could run directly from Rockland to the Ottawa Via station where riders could transfer to the city's transit system.

The report says the proposed road would have little value to the city and that the municipality has many other, more important infrastructure projects it can't do already due to a lack of funds. And it lists several other reasons not to build the road.

"A widened freeway in the rural area could also encourage sprawl and out-migration to surrounding municipalities, which is not in line with the city's smart-growth principles," the report says. "(The money) could be put to better use."

These words both stunned and pleased Capital Council Clive Doucet who has been saying in vain for years that governments have to stop building roads and focus on transit. He said this is the first evidence city planners are beginning to understand that the way the municipality has been allowed to grow is not sustainable and if it continues, it will collapse financially and environmentally.

"It sounds like sanity is finally starting to prevail in this city for the first time in two years," Mr. Doucet said. "I've never seen this city contemplate refusing money for a road. This is the first proof that maybe we are moving in the right direction. Maybe."

Cumberland Councillor Rob Jellett whose ward the road would run through supports the city staff position. He said the proposed road would have so little benefit for the city, he cannot support it. He said he'd have no problem with the province doing the study itself, and, if it showed a reasonable plan for a road expansion, he might support it.

But he said no city money should be put to any aspect of the project.

"The demand for this is coming from outside the city, not in the city," he said. "This is just not something we would do."

People in the areas east of Ottawa have been pushing for the road widening for years.

During the last provincial election, the Ontario Liberals announced $40 million for the project, and said it would go ahead if the federal government would contribute $40 million, which it did, the city $15 million and Prescott-Russell County $9 million.

Under the provincial plan, the city was supposed to administer the project.
Mr. Lalonde said 70 per cent of people living in Rockland commute to Ottawa each day to work, and that a wider connection to the city would help economic development in his area. He said that with city support doubtful, his municipality is prepared to take the lead on the project.

He said his government is prepared to take the $5 million provincial study grant, do the work, and then when it's done in a couple years, consult with the city on how to proceed.

Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien met with Mr. Lalonde and other municipal leaders from the area east of Ottawa and provincial and federal representatives to discuss the issue Monday afternoon. Members of his office said he had not taken a position on the issue yet, but would do so after the meeting and consultation with city staff that recommend against the road.

Following the meeting, Glengarry-Prescott-Russell Liberal MPP Jean-Marc Lalonde said he will be pressing for the province to take over the necessary studies for the widening, but if that doesn't work, he's content to have the county take the lead. Members of the county council at the meeting said they are interested in doing so, and the matter will go to a vote at the county level next week.

The MPP also stressed that any study will take into account and suggest fixes for the chronic traffic bottleneck at Highway 417 and city road 174.

Mr. Jellett and other east-end Ottawa councillors were at the meeting. He said the city's position hadn't changed.

"Our position is that this is not needed in the short-term, but if the province or the county wants to do this study we will provide information and cooperate and see what they come up with," he said. "But we aren't prepared to put any more in because we don't think this is needed."



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I never understood the 417 widening either, the core is already at capacity, and they are adding lanes?! When people will realise that the water lifecycle concept is flawed, and the grid one is better for urban planning. It still amazes me, too much water uphills, the river will overflow! Well duh! What about our city planners that are following the same thing! It's not because something is in nature that we should follow it.
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I never understood the 417 widening either, the core is already at capacity, and they are adding lanes?! When people will realise that the water lifecycle concept is flawed, and the grid one is better for urban planning. It still amazes me, too much water uphills, the river will overflow! Well duh! What about our city planners that are following the same thing! It's not because something is in nature that we should follow it.
Not that I advocate expanding the 417, but Ottawa's commuting pattern is a bit more complicated than people commuting to the core. As I recall, most of the expansion is into Kanata, which is a huge commuting destination and rather inadequately served by transit. My solution would be to fix the transit, ofc.
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Not that I advocate expanding the 417, but Ottawa's commuting pattern is a bit more complicated than people commuting to the core. As I recall, most of the expansion is into Kanata, which is a huge commuting destination and rather inadequately served by transit. My solution would be to fix the transit, ofc.
Well here you go, the Transitway would have been built for that section for the same price.
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City staff says no to $80M 'gift' to widen Hwy. 174
Jake Rupert
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Monday, April 14, 2008

OTTAWA - The city's transportation planning staff are recommending the municipality say no to federal and provincial government offers of $40 million each to widen Highway 174 from Trim Road in Orleans to Rockland.
A staff report on the issue says the proposed 22-kilometre freeway isn't needed and will encourage sprawl. It adds that a commuter-rail line could service the area, and the city doesn't have the $15-million share the province wants it to pay.

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Finally some common sense. My parents live near this highway. I have been on it at rush hour and the traffic flow is fine...moving full steam ahead. If they want to build roads (which I am not advocating in general), there are considerably more worthy locations to add lanes....
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This rejection, like the rejection of that other freeway "gift" -- an exurban ring road -- and the more recent rejection of the "gift" of an LRT-free Strandherd/Armstrong bridge, seems to present a fairly clear, consistent message to both the provincial and the federal governments. That is, please send transit dollars in lieu of roads. Very smart indeed.
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As others have said: finally some common sense. I heard the MPP for Perscott-Russell, Jean-Marc Lalonde, on the radio today squawking about how Ottawa was wrong in "punishing Prescott-Russell" and how the freeway was needed to alleviate the horrible traffic, yada yada yada.

Honestly, the response this outburst deserved was:

- people moving to Rockland know there is only a 2-lane highway going to and from there. Nobody told them to move to Rockland.

- sprawl stops here. The province is hypocritical by giving money to a sprawl-creating project like this one on one hand, and having policy statements on land use planning that focus on intensification and transit.

- why should Ottawa even allow the neighbouring county to conduct an EA for a road we don't want, on our territory, to go counter to our planning goals to curb sprawl. Ottawa should get a court injunction to stop such an EA.

- There are already transit services from various points in Prescott-Russell into Ottawa. Instead of spensing money on a freeway, increase frequencies and capacity on that service.
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- sprawl stops here. The province is hypocritical by giving money to a sprawl-creating project like this one on one hand, and having policy statements on land use planning that focus on intensification and transit.

- why should Ottawa even allow the neighbouring county to conduct an EA for a road we don't want, on our territory, to go counter to our planning goals to curb sprawl. Ottawa should get a court injunction to stop such an EA.
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City council won't participate in any 174 freeway study
Jake Rupert, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Wednesday, April 16, 2008

The city's transportation committee voted unanimously Wednesday to not participate in preliminary studies for a proposed freeway between Orleans and Rockland.

During the last provincial election, the Ontario Liberals announced $40 million for the project and said it would go ahead if the federal government would contribute $40 million, which they did, the city $15 million and Prescott-Russell County $9 million.

Last month, the province also offered the city a grant of $5 million to do the preliminary studies required, and leaders in municipalities east of Ottawa say they need the road.

But city transportation planning staff found municipality should reject the road for a number of reasons.

They said the city can't afford it, city plans don't call for a widening of the road until after 2021 at the earliest because there isn't a need, it goes against the goal of creating a more compact city, and that there are many much cheaper ways to make the road safer, if that is a concern.

Furthermore, they say several eastern Ontario municipalities, led by the city, are looking at establishing a commuter-rail system that could run directly from Rockland to the Ottawa Via station where riders could transfer to the city's transit system.

They concluded the proposed road would have little value to the city, the municipality has many other, more important infrastructure projects it can't do already due to a lack of funds, and listed several other reasons not to build the road.




On Wednesday, the committee voted to allow the province or the counties to do the studies on a roughly seven-kilometre section on the 22-kilometre road inside the city's boundaries, but not to participate in any other way.
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Published: Thursday, April 17, 2008

TORONTo . An Ottawa-area MPP says the city will be holding commuters from his riding "hostage" if council blocks a project to widen Highway 174.
Jean-Marc Lalonde, MPP for Glengarry-Prescott-Russell, is pushing the city to go ahead with the 22-kilometre road expansion project, which would serve commuters from Rockland and other communities east of Orléans. Mr. Lalonde said four-laning the eastern highway, a project first considered more than 20 years ago, is long overdue. He says 70 per cent of the Rockland labour force commutes to Ottawa.

On Wednesday, the city council's transportation committee voted against initiating an environmental assessment on the highway, despite the offer of a $5-million grant from the province to do so.

The move reflects a distaste for the project among city staff, who believe it is too expensive and will promote sprawl.

About seven kilometres of the proposed expansion fall within Ottawa's borders.

Mr. Lalonde, a former mayor of Rockland and an MPP since 1995, said his constituents were upset by the latest development, which appears to put responsibility for the project on smaller municipalities east of Ottawa.

"They're saying, 'No, no, we don't want your traffic, take another road'," he said in an interview. "I would call that (taking them) hostage."

Mr. Lalonde said he believed the project was far from dead, despite the latest development. It was a thought echoed by Premier Dalton McGuinty.

"The decision to expand 174 was made to keep people and goods moving safely and efficiently and to help attract new investments to the Ottawa area," Mr. McGuinty said in a statement issued to the Citizen. "I remain hopeful that the city will partner with us on this project."

The provincial Liberals first issued the funding pledge during the fall election campaign. The $40 million the province offered to contribute was subsequently matched by the federal government. The plan calls on the city to participate to the tune of $15 million, less than its traditional one-third funding share associated with capital projects. Prescott-Russell County is also expected to contribute $9 million.

East-end councillors, such as Rob Jellett, have backed the staff position, questioning the wisdom of widening a highway used by commuters from outside the city.

It is unclear whether Phil McNeely, the MPP for Ottawa-Orléans, agrees with that position. Mr. McNeely did not return several phone calls to his office Thursday. Mr. Lalonde said the two men, who have sat on the same Liberal benches at Queen's Park for four-and-a-half years, have not discussed the project.

"I really don't know what his position is," he said.

Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said he'll be watching that debate closely.

"I'll be very interested in seeing what the City of Ottawa has to say," he said.

"At the end of the day, you need three willing partners and if one of the partners is not willing to proceed, then we have to obviously regroup and see where we go from here," said Municipal Affairs Minister Jim Watson.
Ottawa's full city council is to debate the environmental assessment on Wednesday.
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According to a radio report earlier today, it appears that political fallout resulting from the cancellation of the N-S LRT project will continue to delay provincial funding of the Strandherd Bridge. It appears that Ottawa councillors Steve Desrochers and Jan Harder have been lobbying Queen's Park for funding but with no results. It appears that it was suggested that if Ottawa wants this bridge without the previously planned rapid transit component, then the city should fund it themselves using debt financing. Conservative MPP Lisa MacLeod will make a motion to fund the project but will almost certainly fail. So, the war between Conservatives and Liberals continues with the city caught in the middle.
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Re. the latest 174 salvo:

McGuinty and Watson, both from Ottawa, should be raked over hot coals for this latest piece of political BS.

Commuters held hostage... gimme a break. Once again, NOBODY TOLD THEM TO MOVE TO ROCKLAND. Their new town came with a 2-lane highway, not a full freeway. You don't like it, that's TMFB. Move closer to a freeway if that's what matters to you.

The City of Ottawa's best plan of attack here should be transit. Use the freeway EA money to boost frequency on CRT lines into Ottawa. THAT will reduce the bottleneck at the split - CRT buses use the Transitway from Blair Station on.
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