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Old Posted Nov 15, 2020, 5:37 AM
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I just found a second slide!


And it appears to have been taken from almost the same vantage point.


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but something's odd. . .I can't quite fig . . .Oh my God & Boy Howdy! ....That old hotel building on the left is MISSING in the previous slide!...The slide I just posted.


I would have posted this slide first if I had known. (as a before and after)








A closer look.


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So what's the name of the soon-to-be torn down hotel? .....Poner?.....Boner?

The sign closer to the ground appears to spell out the word Carnival(?).....Do you suppose the hotel had a bar called the Carnival Room?


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We're looking at the 200 block of E 5th Street. The Golden Gate Cafe is at 202 E 5th in the CDs from 1960 to 1987, but the Spider Webb Cafe only appears in the 1973 edition. The Rucker Hardware name seems to go back to around 1920 when it was Entz and Rucker. Over the years it was also known as the New York Hardware Co.

The missing building is the Ponet Hotel at 205 E 5th Street (not to be confused with the Ponet Square Hotel at 1249 S Grand Av which suffered a deadly fire in 1970). Here's the back of it on the left as we look down Los Angeles Street (the recently discussed Los Angeles Mission is on the right).

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That means that e_r's photographer was most likely in the King Edward Hotel, although the LA Mission is also possible, especially given the recently posted images from the same source. The Carnival Cafe was at 201 E 5th Street. It only appears in the 1960 and 1961 CDs, but the sign plans below are from 1954.


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Old Posted Nov 15, 2020, 9:42 AM
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The whole corner of E 5th Street and Los Angeles Street has been replaced by the 5th & LA Plaza, but there are survivors further back. The B Black & Sons sign has faded over the years, but the company is still in business at 548 S Los Angeles Street. They've been on Los Angeles Street since the 1920s and at their current address since the 1930s. The building got a previous passing mention in post #28005.


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I think the repertory company aspect came from the series' origin as a radio show, where having actors share roles was common.

For most of the life of the television phase the show's roots in radio were so strong you could follow the story with just the soundtrack:

"Tuesday, May 13th. It was raining in Los Angeles" [Picture of rain]

"My partner and I were working the day watch out of Bunco" [Picture of Webb and partner in cop shop]

"We received a call from a distraught housewife" [Picture of Webb on phone]

"We proceeded to her residence near downtown" [Picture of Webb and partner in car]

And so on. It was as stylized as Kabuki, and as exciting as a Power Point briefing were the presenter just reads the slides to you. But great radio.

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I guess you could say the fact we remember it so well after all these years speaks to how iconic Webb's style was. It was so stilted and flat it does lend itself to parody, but maybe being remembered for that is better than not being remembered at all.
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Canter's Restaurant is the best delicatessen in Los Angeles. Cobb Salad
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I guess you could say the fact we remember it so well after all these years speaks to how iconic Webb's style was. It was so stilted and flat it does lend itself to parody, but maybe being remembered for that is better than not being remembered at all.
There actually were/are people who talk like Sgt. Friday. Engineers, doctors & scientists mostly. Factual, predictable, no profanities, at least in an office/public setting. They were more common before the late 1960s. Now anything goes, in speech, fashion, appearance, behavior, etc. Sometimes I miss the old days. They were more predictable. On the other hand, people who broke the norms back then often paid a high price for their rule breaking. Lenny Bruce was a good example.

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According to George Geary's "L.A.'s Legendary Restaurants," (highly recommended) the ingredients in the Hollywood Brown Derby Cobb Salad were iceberg and romaine lettuce, chicory, tomatoes, chicken breast, bacon, avocado, hard boiled eggs, chopped chives, and crumbled Roquefort cheese, arranged in strips on a plate and then tossed by the waiter at tableside.

The salad was dressed with Brown Derby French Dressing, reconstructed by Geary (almost all the recipes in the book are reconstructions) as:

3/4 cup red wine vinegar

1/4 cup water

1 tbsp Worcestershire Sauce

2 tsp fresh lemon juice

1 tsp sugar

1 tsp black pepper

1 tsp Dijon mustard

3/4 tsp salt

1 clove garlic

1 cup olive oil and 1 cup canola oil

Puree everything but the oil in a blender, then drizzle in the oils to emulsify.

I've made it and it's really good.

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Here's an excellent article from the L.A. Times about Tommy's and all the wannabes. The interesting thing to me was Tommy's doesn't worry too much about them unless they really get too close to pretending to be the real thing. They see the imitation as flattery. Tom's #5 is mentioned.
In the South Bay, there's Tomboys which serves up a pretty good version of the Tommy's classic burger with chili - no beans, cheese, mustard, pickle & onions.

https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2...gers-knockoffs


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Growing up near the Tom#5 i would go there pretty often during the summer, (we used to get the fries after a nice swim in Pico Pool next door to the Sears)and i have to say Tomboys is my go to, i go to both locations at least once a week. The best fries in the South Bay hands down.

Once i got older we would go to Pan Pacific Park Pool, and afterwards we would bike down 3rd and head to Fatburger on La Cienega (then to the Beverly Center) and again get fries. My Parents would go to this location a lot and say its the original. But i thought the original was incorporated into a low income housing unit off Crenshaw along the new Crenshaw line?
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Growing up near the Tom#5 i would go there pretty often during the summer, (we used to get the fries after a nice swim in Pico Pool next door to the Sears)and i have to say Tomboys is my go to, i go to both locations at least once a week. The best fries in the South Bay hands down.

Once i got older we would go to Pan Pacific Park Pool, and afterwards we would bike down 3rd and head to Fatburger on La Cienega (then to the Beverly Center) and again get fries. My Parents would go to this location a lot and say its the original. But i thought the original was incorporated into a low income housing unit off Crenshaw along the new Crenshaw line?
I am a big fan of Tommy's, used to eat it often as a teenager/college age, but now only treat myself maybe 1-2 times a year.

I'm surprised no one has brought up Carney's, also an excellent chili burger, and housed in actual old rail cars converted to be the kitchen and dining rooms.

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I always got a kick looking at the old black and white photos of them installing the train cars to convert to the restaurant:

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Here's an excellent article from the L.A. Times about Tommy's and all the wannabes. The interesting thing to me was Tommy's doesn't worry too much about them unless they really get too close to pretending to be the real thing. They see the imitation as flattery. Tom's #5 is mentioned.
In the South Bay, there's Tomboys which serves up a pretty good version of the Tommy's classic burger with chili - no beans, cheese, mustard, pickle & onions.

https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2...gers-knockoffs


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A pickle is a pickle and a tomato is a tomato. The success of any hamburger is the meat. That's why people very much dislike fast-food burgers....their meat is junk infused with fillers.
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Doug, I have eaten Tommy's for 61 years. Only once I have I eaten a Tommy's without the Chile...Never make that mistake again, it was not very good. In Tommy's case the CHILE is the success of their burgers. Double Meat, Double Cheese, Chile and Tomato are number one.
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Doug, I have eaten Tommy's for 61 years. Only once I have I eaten a Tommy's without the Chile...Never make that mistake again, it was not very good. In Tommy's case the CHILE is the success of their burgers. Double Meat, Double Cheese, Chile and Tomato are number one.
I first had a Tommy's with a friend in the 1970s, at about 2 am at their flagship location near Rampart. Boy, was it good and I had never heard of it before.
Fortunately the meat part has stayed fairly good quality since then. Its not the best imo but its acceptable. Yes, the chili is their hallmark.
Hamburger Hamlet, now defunct, save for one, had better but then that was an upscale place.


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Doug, I have eaten Tommy's for 61 years. Only once I have I eaten a Tommy's without the Chile...Never make that mistake again, it was not very good. In Tommy's case the CHILE is the success of their burgers. Double Meat, Double Cheese, Chile and Tomato are number one.
As the sign says at Tommy's, "Everything Comes With Chili"
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The B Black & Sons sign has faded over the years, but the company is still in business at 548 S Los Angeles Street. They've been on Los Angeles Street since the 1920s and at their current address since the 1930s.


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e_r, Tom's #5 was a Tommy's knock-off that was not too shabby. I ate there numerous times. It was also on Pico, and near the Beach as you speculated. It was on the corner of Pico and Ocean Ave in Santa Monica, just a couple of blocks from the sand.


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I somehow missed your discovery, Bristolian. ... Bravo!





The reason I guessed that Tom's #5 (in the 'Stingray'snapshot) was located near a beach is the blue area on the right. I thought it might be the ocean.



So do you think that blue area is the ocean or are we looking at something else?



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mystery location


Do ya'll remember the 'Skid Row' photograph of the man in the brick alley that I posted 5 or 6 days ago?


Well the same ebay seller just listed another 'Skid Row' photograph from 1972 that shows a brick alley. ....It could be a street I guess.


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The street number on the other slide was 695. . the street number on this slide is 451. ....So obviously this is a different alleyway.


Needless to say. .I feel sorry for the poor man.





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Here's one more slide for tonight.


mystery location. (nope. no it's not)... San Julian Street. .and. .?




This is yet another slide taken in the 'Skid Row' area of Los Angeles. (1950s or 60s)


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That's an excellent looking arched doorway on the right. ...I'm a bit surprised it's located on the side, and towards the back, of the building.

I spy the Southern Hotel.





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I must say. . .I'd love to eat in the Golden Gate Cafe.


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The Golden Gate Cafe photographed by Robert Luthardt circa 1967.



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The reason I guessed that Tom's #5 (in the 'Stingray'snapshot) was located near a beach is the blue area on the right. I thought it might be the ocean.



So do you think that blue area is the ocean or are we looking at something else?
e_r, At first, I wasn't sure if that was the ocean and horizon or something else. Here's another street-level view looking west down Pico and what obviously is the ocean shows up looking remarkably similar so I would say yes, definitely.

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The Peterson Automotive Museum/SEIBU building with some impressive klieg lights.


http://guestofaguest.com/los-angeles...-this-week-20/


more images of same structure >> https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=6276



Undated image, probably late ~ '90s (although vehicular traffic may indicate later . Wilshire and Fairfax looking south. Roof in foreground is Johnie's.



From article discussing the late Biggie Smalls who died in '97. https://www.thefader.com/2011/05/25/...-biggie-smalls

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Unnamed street corner. Downtown los Angeles....1970s amateur slide just listed on eBay

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I can't figure out the store next door. (the one painted black) It says 'something' Temporary.
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The Golden Gate Cafe photographed by Robert Luthardt circa 1967.


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1967: To the left of the Golden Gate Cafe, is the Qualified Temporary Help which has moved several stores to the left in E_R's 1970's dated slide.
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