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Old Posted Jul 22, 2023, 3:40 AM
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^ Read that a couple of days ago.


https://www.curbed.com/2023/07/times...ical-void.html

Times Square’s New Thrill Ride Looks Like It Came From Vegas — But It’s Classic New York


By Karrie Jacobs
July 18, 2023


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It’s hard to think of anything less quintessentially Manhattan — even in greater Times Square — than a theme-park ride installed atop a 51-story hotel. The district might occasionally attract a fantastical oddity, like a Ferris wheel or a flight simulator, but it has yet to succumb to the full Disney treatment. An amusement-park ride, however, is exactly what Gary Barnett, founder and chairman of Extell, is planning for a site on Eighth Avenue just west of Times Square. Currently under construction — it’s now a big hole in the ground — 740 Eighth Avenue will eventually be a hotel with its very own 260-foot-tall drop ride.

Looking closer at the zoning document filed by Extell’s attorney, Paul Selver, the schematics for 740 Eighth show a sleek hotel with what appears to be a naked elevator shaft — Selver calls it “the stem” — interrupting its glassy façade for roughly 260 feet. Above this are five floors that hold a restaurant, a multistory observation deck, and a “VIP observation level.”

The weird, in-between “stem” space is where the thrill ride will go. It’s based on an attraction called Zumanjaro: Drop of Doom at New Jersey’s Six Flags amusement park, which promises a “heart-racing plummet” during which “gravity pulls your gondola downwards at 90 miles per hour.”
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But why would anyone wedge an amusement-park ride into a swank Manhattan hotel? The official explanation is right on the zoning application, where Server quotes a hospitality trade magazine: “Faced with customers that crave immersion and experiences, overnight accommodation is no longer an end in itself.”

The market for immersive experiences has already taken over many of the city’s dead retail spaces and the pinnacles of its office towers. The Edge, an observatory on the 100th floor of 30 Hudson Yards is billed as the “highest outdoor sky deck in the Western Hemisphere,” and features a City Climb option in which tourists who pay $185 for the privilege can scale an outdoor stairway to the building’s summit, where they can lean outward into the abyss. The earliest precursor of this is the Ledge, at the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower in Chicago, which encourages visitors to step onto a series of glass-floored balconies to get the illusion of floating 1,353 feet above the Loop.
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ut both the Ledge and the Edge are, in some way, about showing off the buildings they’re in, whether it’s their extreme heights or their structural ingenuity, and, of course, the view of the city below. Whereas the Eighth Avenue drop ride is qualitatively different: It’s an outdoor amusement-park attraction sealed in a glass tower, shoehorned into a 1,000-room hotel. Riders will not linger on intriguing views of the city or pause to admire the building’s architectural flourishes because they will spend most of their minute and a half of ride time plummeting.

The developer’s application cites examples of resorts and other venues that have on-premises rides. Predictably, many of them are in Las Vegas, including the Stratosphere Hotel, which features thrill rides like the Big Shot (a round-trip version of a drop ride) and an 865-foot-tall roller coaster called the XScream. The application also cited examples in tourist destinations such as Opryland and Orlando, and in the former Portuguese colony of Macao, a casino-filled island that is now a destination for gamblers from mainland China.
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Manhattan zoning doesn’t permit amusement-park rides, but Selver successfully convinced the Department of Buildings with these examples; if a hotel could offer its own in-house thrill ride in Las Vegas or Orlando, it should also be acceptable in New York. On March 9, the Department of Buildings signed off on the idea that “the proposed observation deck and indoor amusement attraction would be an approved accessory use for a transient hotel at this location.”

By calling the thrill ride an “accessory to the hotel,” the developer was able to sidestep the long and painful process of adding a new land use to the area. But it also sets up a worrying precedent. Indeed, at a June 21 meeting of Manhattan Community Board 5’s land-use committee, its chair, Layla Law-Glisko, raised concerns that allowing the developer to take the “accessory” shortcut, instead of going through the slog of passing an amendment to the city’s zoning text, might open the door to other accessory uses. As she pointed out, if we deem something a proper accessory use for a hotel because it exists in Las Vegas, “does that set a precedent regarding casinos?” Given the recent proposal for a casino by SL Green in the middle of the Times Square bow tie, it might seem that the area is steadily being turned into Las Vegas.

But this is less an example of Times Square turning into Las Vegas than a developer behaving exactly like a developer. Extell, in particular, has mastered the trade secrets of the industry, especially the sale and transfer of air rights. The firm amassed air rights to create the first supertall condo tower on 57th Street and kicked off the spree of air-rights purchases from surrounding buildings that made the very tall, very skinny towers of Billionaires’ Row possible. 740 Eighth itself is a large-scale development enabled by an air-rights purchase. The Shubert Organization sold the air rights belonging to its Imperial Theater to Extell for some $51 million. But that’s not the full story here. For that you have to look at the drawings.

In this case, what the schematic drawing of 740 Eighth Avenue tells astute observers of real estate is that the ride is in a “mechanical void.” Typically a mechanical void is an architectural sleight of hand found in luxury residential buildings, where a floor that contains nothing but, say, ventilation equipment, is much taller than it needs to be. Because mechanical floors aren’t counted as part of a building’s floor-area ratio, the formula that dictates the maximum square footage of most New York City buildings, a developer might insert a mechanical void with 20 feet — or more — of unnecessary headroom. This pads the overall height of the building, making the uppermost floors all the more valuable. As Selver himself stated at the community-board meeting, “The ride by itself doesn’t have any floor area,” and the stem area was “totally mechanical.”
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The 260-foot-tall thrill ride thus adds 20-plus floors to the building without using up any FAR, making it the mother of all mechanical voids and lifting the VIP level and observation decks even higher into the skyline. Extell’s theme-park ride may ostensibly exist to satisfy touristic cravings for an immersive experience, but really it’s there for a much more primal reason: Height equals money.

Carol Willis, president and director of Lower Manhattan’s Skyscraper Museum, contends that the thrill ride atop the midtown hotel is, in a way, old hat. She sees it as a familiar strategy named nearly two decades ago by Rem Koolhaas in Delirious New York. In the book, he argues that all the late 19th and early 20th century innovations that made the dawn of Coney Island so amazing (such as electricity and elevators) also made Manhattan’s modern skyscrapers inevitable. In Koolhaas’s words, “fantastic technology” begets “pragmatic technology.” Repackaging Zumanjaro: Drop of Doom as a hotel amenity is therefore New York City in a nutshell.
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Some slight changes, no change in height. They now say 53 floors.

The upper floors will feature the restaurant, observation deck, VIP area. There will be 1,455 rooms.


47 - Restaurant/Bar
48 - Restaurant/Bar
49 - Observation Deck
50 - Observation Deck
51 - Observation Deck
52 - Mechanical
53 - VIP Deck/Bar


Building floor breakdown in terms of zoning...












And the occupancy comparison of this deck with that of new decks like 30 Hudson and Vanderbilt...



Vanderbilt on 3 levels







30 Hudson on 2 levels









740 8th Ave on 4 to 6 levels




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The anti-casino/anti-amusement ride crowd in Times Square is going to hate this. I can't imagine that this attraction would be out of place in this environment.


https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/nycs-h...are-billboard/

NYC’s hottest new concert venue is hiding inside a Times Square billboard









By Meghan Powers
July 20, 2023


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For once, it’s okay to look up.

NYC’s hottest new performance venue is hiding in plain sight — atop an 18,000 square-foot billboard in Times Square.

Rapper Post Malone christened the cutting edge concert space, hanging from the front of the new TSX Broadway building on the southeast corner of 7th Avenue and 47th Street.

The “Rockstar” artist treated New Yorkers and visitors from around the world to an impromptu, 18-minute set — at the height of the evening rush hour.
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The unexpected event left the top end of the Crossroads of the World packed enough to frighten cab drivers for blocks — a welcome sight after the district’s pandemic-era — and post-pandemic — struggles.

“This iconic moment not only marks the beginning of a new era for live performances in Times Square but also showcases our commitment to providing unique and unforgettable experiences for fans around the world,” TSX Entertainment co-founder and CEO Nick Holmsten promised.

The entertainment company partnered with chicken finger restaurant chain Raising Cane’s, as well as Harley-Davidson, to sponsor the venue’s christening. Raising Cane’s opened its first NYC location in Times Square in late June.

Besides the expected array of live performances, the new stage and billboard can be rented for premieres, personal use and other marketing stunts.







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This is pretty cool. But if this is going to be a regular thing, they should finish the ceilings in there so it looks like a more permanent space.
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This is pretty cool. But if this is going to be a regular thing, they should finish the ceilings in there so it looks like a more permanent space.
That building is still under construction, just functional enough that they could start making money off of it.
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Another rendering of how I interpret this enigmatic proposal, in daylight from the Hudson:

With the chunky hotel portion hidden from view, I honestly think it looks pretty good for an observation tower -- as long as the materiality doesn't somehow blindside us when it's revealed.
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^ haha very nice — xing lin out there doing his epic best job getting us to love this goofy tower!
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Top of the Rock wasn't a "new" deck when it reopened. It had earlier decades as a top tourists spot. So when it reopened, it was a known entity. Likewise, the WTC observatory, though not the original, was also a known entity. The Edge at 30 Hudson opened just in time for the pandemic to take hold. But that didn't stop the crowds. I thought it was was that from the Top of the Rock and Empire State decks, both of which had a lot less traffic from pre-pandemic times, you could still notice the crowds at 30 Rock. That's because tourism was dead at the time. But then I realized those were locals who had likely already been to the standards (ESB, WTC, etc), and the new kid in town was strange, something to be investigated. One Vanderbilt was a splashy, shiny, new attraction.








This new deck on 8th Avenue will be another Times Square attraction, sucking up the tourists like a vacuum.
What made the Empire State Building observation decks so popular right away in 1931 besides the building being the tallest in the world. This was even before King Kong came out in 1933.
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Midtown Amusement Contractor's Negligence Injured Worker: Suit
A worker injured on the job site of a controversial 1,000-foot-tall building capped with an amusement-park style ride has filed a lawsuit.


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The owners and contractor at the construction site of a Midtown tower, infamously topped with an amusement-style ride, were so negligent in following basic safety rules that it led to a "major injury" of a worker, according to a new lawsuit.

The case is over a July 18 worksite accident at 740 Eighth Ave., the future site of a 1,000-foot-tall tower, capped with a nearly 300-foot-tall free-fall amusement park-style ride.

….. The suit claims that the defendants in the case, owner 726 Eighth LLC and general contractor, industry giant Lendlease Construction, failed to secure and furnish "ladders, scaffolds, hoists, ropes or other devices which shall be so constructed, placed and operated as to give proper protection to a person so employed, including the plaintiff."

Neither specific injuries nor damages sought are mentioned in the suit, aside from hints that both are — or will be — substantial.

Messages left with both Lendlease and Extell, the site's developer, were not immediately returned.

Specifically, the suit claims that the injuries "were due to the negligence, carelessness, recklessness and violations" of the main labor laws governing construction site safety.

….. Back in July, City Buildings inspectors issued a summons to the site for a "failure to institute safety measures," adding that there was a lack of coordination between the team hoisting the heavy load and the rest of the workers.

Fire Department officials called the accident a "major injury," but offered no further details on what happened.
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Looking through some of the changes, (there are constant revisions). Nothing that would change the height of the building, but what's seen at the end caught my eye...















So it seems there will be an amphitheater up there as well. Now, where's that lady who said people only come to New York for the theater...
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What makes access to this observation deck different from the existing skyscraper observation decks in New York City since this will be a hotel rather than an office building like the other decks. Also, how will this affect dedicated entrances and elevators compared to the 5 decks currently in New York City that are on top of office buildings.
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The observation deck lobby will be on the northern side, on the first floor with access to the deck on one of the lower levels. Pretty standard.








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has anybody been upstairs in the pub to get a look down in the whole pit lately?

i would do it, but i dont feel like buying another $10 basic draft beer.

it's not that i'm broke, but that just ain't right.
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has anybody been upstairs in the pub to get a look down in the whole pit lately
Last time we went to the Playwright Irish Pub was in 2007 with my friend from Short Hills, Dirty Jersey on Saint Patty's Day.

The only thing in that pit is the Deadite Hag from Army of Darkness.

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The observation deck lobby will be on the northern side, on the first floor with access to the deck on one of the lower levels. Pretty standard.








So, it will have it's own dedicated entrance and elevators like the decks currently in New York City, which are currently on top of office buildings. Those buildings in addition to the Empire State Building are 30 Rockefeller Plaza, One World Trade Center, 30 Hudson Yards, and One Vanderbilt.
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